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    The % success rate is bound to change as they scale up the numbers. This is one reason to be sceptical about small polls (think politics) as they are based on narrow populations. But a larger trial will bode well and one with a decent number of candidates per age group. But how it affects the compromised might be complex because many studies like to remove the dirty data (think antidepressants). If the trials have included various conditions then there is something to go on.

    As long as % effectiveness doesn't drop too much or if it does a nice clause to demand a refund.
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    Im thinking a couple of weeks more in tier 3 and my city should be ok. Our reduction rates are about a 3rd of the diagnosed cases. The downward trend is good but not quite as sharp as the national one.

    People are kicking off because we are lacking knowing when we might move tier. So they will assume post Christmas and that will do some serious damage to the pub trade that relies on this period. But opening that up will just see it skyrocket again so higher tiers, 3rd lockdown, etc. Just life until we get a vaccine out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lencoboy View Post
    I've noticed both the antivaxxers and vaccine doubters are really starting to stick the knife in now. The latter group in particular are convinced that either the vaccines probably won't work and/or the infrastructure simply isn't there to administer them, plus implications concerning logistics and costs.
    A point raised by Hilary Benn in the Commons today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Im thinking a couple of weeks more in tier 3 and my city should be ok. Our reduction rates are about a 3rd of the diagnosed cases. The downward trend is good but not quite as sharp as the national one.

    People are kicking off because we are lacking knowing when we might move tier. So they will assume post Christmas and that will do some serious damage to the pub trade that relies on this period. But opening that up will just see it skyrocket again so higher tiers, 3rd lockdown, etc. Just life until we get a vaccine out.
    Trouble is, it's a catch-22 situation where the authorities are simply damned if they do and damned if they don't.

    And the ones who aren't complying with the rules on mask wearing, social distancing etc will no doubt be the first to moan and groan if we end up having a third lockdown in the New Year.

    Plus they're probably also the ones who will decline the vaccines (more through ignorance and 'can't be bothered'-ness rather than siding with the antivaxxers and serial conspiracy theorists).

    And if they end up testing positive they will be denying it's their own fault and blaming the authorities instead!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    The % success rate is bound to change as they scale up the numbers. This is one reason to be sceptical about small polls (think politics) as they are based on narrow populations. But a larger trial will bode well and one with a decent number of candidates per age group. But how it affects the compromised might be complex because many studies like to remove the dirty data (think antidepressants). If the trials have included various conditions then there is something to go on.

    As long as % effectiveness doesn't drop too much or if it does a nice clause to demand a refund.
    Well there was a thread on Digital Spy last week about all brand new motor vehicles having to be electric by 2030 and there were a few know-it-alls on there with similar doubts about all of that and piping up with stuff like 'what about the logistics of it all', 'EVs simply aren't reliable enough', 'There simply isn't the infrastructure available for recharging the vehicles', 'The govt are taking right liberties', etc.

    For heaven's sake, that's not for another 10 years at least, so plenty of time to come up with the goods in order to make it feasible.

    If the deadline had been in say, 2022, I think that might have been overdoing it a bit in such a short space of time.

    I do reckon that a lot of people just don't like change, period.

    Having said that, we've all switched from old-fashioned CRT analogue TV sets to the newer digitalised flat-screen sets over the past 15 years or so without batting an eyelid!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lencoboy View Post
    Well there was a thread on Digital Spy last week about all brand new motor vehicles having to be electric by 2030 and there were a few know-it-alls on there with similar doubts about all of that and piping up with stuff like 'what about the logistics of it all', 'EVs simply aren't reliable enough', 'There simply isn't the infrastructure available for recharging the vehicles', 'The govt are taking right liberties', etc.

    For heaven's sake, that's not for another 10 years at least, so plenty of time to come up with the goods in order to make it feasible.

    If the deadline had been in say, 2022, I think that might have been overdoing it a bit in such a short space of time.

    I do reckon that a lot of people just don't like change, period.

    Having said that, we've all switched from old-fashioned CRT analogue TV sets to the newer digitalised flat-screen sets over the past 15 years or so without batting an eyelid!!
    DS can be interesting as some know their stuff but it's also politically tribal and known for bullying behaviour.

    I have some sympathy about their concerns because I've worked in many regulatory projects and some are just a mess. In my old industry I could cite smart metering as a poorly designed national project. They let the industry go away and come up with solutions. The result was everybody non compliant with everybody else's technology and that's why the whole project slipped many years.

    I think EV is a much bigger and more important programme. No one gives a toss about utility tech but cars are front page stuff. Im sure there are many hurdles and simply the power is one to overcome. But how many years ago were we all saying it's ok for Londoners who get everything first (we still haven't seen broadband upgrades) but what about real life and not the bit around Westminster? But many of us can now see charging points on petrol stations and even supermarket parking spaces.

    The challenge is scaling up but things have moved on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    Hurrah!! At long last!!

    And I bet the legendary Timmy Mallett's first words at hearing the news of the first vaccine being given the go-ahead from next week here in Blighty first thing this morning were 'Utterly, utterly, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant'!!
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