Outrage over historical films, TV shows, songs, etc.

[Pamplemousse]

There is no value in violent protests, looting or vandalism. None of this will bring those who suffered and died under police or colonial injustice back. All it does is further reinforce the division and hate.

All lives matter - equally.

Agree wholeheartedly. And yet for some sections, saying "all lives matter" is racist - explain that...? Do you remember how Jeremy Corbyn drew flak when he refused to condemn any particular terrorist organisation by replying "I condemn all terrorism" or words to that effect?

[Delilah001]

Saying all lives matter is deflecting from the issue.
Yes of course all lives do technically matter its just in society it seems black lives matter a lot less (blame racism for that).
Saying all lives matter makes it seem like we are all equal in life and although it should be we are simply not.

[Noivous]

Saying all lives matter is deflecting from the issue.
Yes of course all lives do technically matter its just in society it seems black lives matter a lot less (blame racism for that).
Saying all lives matter makes it seem like we are all equal in life and although it should be we are simply not.

This the loftiest load of bull I've ever heard. The only place that black lives matter a lot less is in your head. You and your ilk have thrown the racism charge around so often you've rendered it meaningless. I think it's hilarious watching the left twist themselves into pretzels trying to prove they're not racist. Next thing you'll be talking about is reparations. Where people who never owned slaves pay money to people who were never slaves.

N.

[AntsyVee]

Saying all lives matter is deflecting from the issue.
Yes of course all lives do technically matter its just in society it seems black lives matter a lot less (blame racism for that).
Saying all lives matter makes it seem like we are all equal in life and although it should be we are simply not.

No, N. What she's saying it exactly the truth. All lives should matter, and under the industrialized countries with democracies they are supposed to...except that they haven't. White privilege does exist, racism still exists, whether individual acts of racism or institutionally supported ones, and it's gotten to the point in some sectors of society that it's become normalized. That's why the movement is "black lives matter." It's not saying that other races don't matter, it's saying "Hey, black people are still marginalized, pay attention, we matter too!" If the problem against blacks and African Americans wasn't so bad, the message wouldn't have to be that specific.

[MyNameIsTerry]

Agree wholeheartedly. And yet for some sections, saying "all lives matter" is racist - explain that...? Do you remember how Jeremy Corbyn drew flak when he refused to condemn any particular terrorist organisation by replying "I condemn all terrorism" or words to that effect?

In Mr Corbyn's case it would be his unwillingness to point to certain groups he doesn't want to upset. Why they chose him to lead this new left Labour I have no idea, other than because he was weak so could be manipulated, because this was always going to be one of his undoings.

He knew they were baiting him but his unwillingness to condemn without hiding it behind a wider group showed potential sympathies. I just think he didn't want to upset people and he's likely a very good MP to his constituents which makes him the opposite of front bench material.

[MyNameIsTerry]

Careful Terry, you can't suggest that someone here dwells under bridges or you'll get your post removed.

I don't think Terry was suggesting Hol is a troll.



I think it would be more apt to replace "UK" with "British Empire" in this case, for it was responsible for exporting slavery and misery to the 4 corners of the earth, under control of "The Crown". It was the very essence of "racism". Yet I don't see protesters outside palaces and toppling statues of Queen Victoria, under whose reign the savage East India Company operated.

There is no value in violent protests, looting or vandalism. None of this will bring those who suffered and died under police or colonial injustice back. All it does is further reinforce the division and hate.

All lives matter - equally.

Just to confirm, KK is correct. I was giving Hollow a chance to add some comment about the picture. It can be regarded as baiting. I know from experience he posts pics and headlines without his own opinion.

I fully agree with the forum rules about troll calling. However I would point out that rule came from repetitive anxiety posters being called fake and not members retweeting political points. I wish Hollow would think about this being an anxiety site, he used to engage on anxiety boards.

I agree on the change to British Empire but then how can we say it was us that created racism through our colonialism when empires predate us and they did much the same? We certainly did our share of bad things to other peoples but it didn't start at that point in history just as slavery didn't. Are they to be defined in a different way to our racism?

[BlueIris]

Thank you, Delilah, beautifully put.

Of course all lives matter, but black lives are the ones that need help right now, and as responsible, compassionate human beings we need to do what we can.

[Pamplemousse]

In Mr Corbyn's case it would be his unwillingness to point to certain groups he doesn't want to upset. Why they chose him to lead this new left Labour I have no idea, other than because he was weak so could be manipulated, because this was always going to be one of his undoings.

Entryism - most notably the "Three Quid Trots". I think a lot of people even on the moderate left were so pissed off at Blair's behaviour (the God-bothering, his cosying up to Bush Jr.) that they wanted to undo the attempt to turn the Labour Party into something resembling the German Christian Democrats. Of the four candidates on offer, Liz Kendall was an unknown Blairite at the time and so she stood no chance: Yvette Cooper (probably the best of them) would in the minds of the Tory Press and its supporters forever be "Mrs. Balls"; Andy Burnham would forever be tainted by the Mid-Staffs hospitals affair... and then there was Corbyn. Seen as a 'true' socialist who in fact never achieved anything in his time in Parliament (name a single bill he brought forward) and was in fact born into a very privileged white background and spent more time rebelling against party policy than supporting it, he was supported fervently by refugees from the SWP and just about every other bunch of extreme left-wingers, proto-anarchists and sundry other fringe elements who hoped that somehow they could seize power rather than convince the electorate to choose them democratically. Of course, it's difficult to get your message across when the Fourth Estate is quite right-wing in its views, mostly owned by non-dom tax exiles for whom his views would be anathema. Yet I saw no attempt to reintroduce Clause Four or anything like that, just an attempt to try and "level the playing field" (to use the modern vernacular) to reduce the massive disparity between rich and poor in this country. In that I see no wrong.

However Corbyn's personality was never going to win votes. Some say he's principled: I just see arrogance and a tendency to be oh so achingly worthy. By contrast, Starmer seems very dull but I think we've had enough of 'character' leaders now, don't you? In times of trouble you want a bank manager type to lead a country, not someone with a false 'buffoon' personality.

[Noivous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0NFQUW08Z8


Should this movie be banned too? A very funny clip from the comedy film Bustin' Loose with the hilarious Richard Pryor. Back before everyone was so sensitive. Enjoy...if you can.

[Noivous]

No, N. What she's saying it exactly the truth. All lives should matter, and under the industrialized countries with democracies they are supposed to...except that they haven't. White privilege does exist, racism still exists, whether individual acts of racism or institutionally supported ones, and it's gotten to the point in some sectors of society that it's become normalized. That's why the movement is "black lives matter." It's not saying that other races don't matter, it's saying "Hey, black people are still marginalized, pay attention, we matter too!" If the problem against blacks and African Americans wasn't so bad, the message wouldn't have to be that specific.

Hi AntsyVee

"Racism still exists" of course it does. You're not ever going to end it and neither am I. It exists on an individual level far more than it does as you imagine on an institutional level. That has pretty much ended in this country. And racism is not exclusive to the white race. It runs across every race and nationality and to say it does not is being disingenuous. Let's just take both of our places of employment. Is there institutional racism where you work? Because there isn't where I work.
Once again the Democrats are coming around to exploit the black community during election time. But in recent years the black community has taken a much closer look at what the Democrats have given them over the last 50 years. That is why the left is desperate to get illegal aliens the vote. They need a new group to exploit. Slavery existed in this world 2,000 years ago and it exists in this world today. But this country, at great cost I might add, a million-and-a-half casualties, ended slavery over a hundred and fifty years ago. Tell me who is more racist, the person that says a particular race needs all kinds of handouts and special programs to succeed or the person that says hey that guy or girl is at least as intelligent, strong and as capable as I am? Democrats have been condescendingly patronizing the black community for over 50 years. I'd be happy to get into it over the history of the democrat party and racism. Their track record isn't that good.

N.