A second lockdown is on it's way

[TheRambler]

When it comes to misinformation you really don't need to look beyond our so called government and their propaganda arm the BBC. Despite all of the evidence to the contrary they still stick to the figure of 44,000 deaths from Covid-19 (see link below).

Evidence 1. As identified by the Office of National Statistics there are 36,000 ish "more deaths than would normally be expected compared to other years", but the government is still saying that its only 44,000 in total.

Evidence 2. The above figures are based on a comparison against the 5 year average, probably based on the last 5 years. However hasn't anyone noticed that: A) Very few people are in work, therefore there must be a corresponding drop in industrial / work related accidents / deaths. B) The volume of traffic on the roads has been massively reduced, therefore the number of road accidents must also be reduced.

The logical conclusion is; that the number of "normal" deaths in the UK in 2020 must actually be way below that of the 5 year average. Therefore any measurements looking at deaths above the 5 year average will be flawed because there will be a large number of "average deaths" that didn't happen because we weren't at work or on the roads, so what killed them.

As per the BBC (see link below), If you take the government's figure of 44,000 and add in those where CV is mentioned but no test carried out and you have 54,000 approx. Then add the O N S estimate of "Additional Deaths" the number rises to 65,000+. But you still have all those "industrial" and "road accident" deaths as mentioned, which no one has yet measured????

So why are the government ignoring the true figures and constantly quoting 44,000 as the total when its clearly BS.

The answer: This government made such a hash of the whole Covid-19 pandemic from day one. that they will try anything they can to play down their screw-up. In February Bozo refused an offer from the EU to participate in a bulk order of P P E to be placed by ALL member states for their use, instead he placed an order on Turkey and received sub-standard products that were useless. He also placed an order on China and received goods sized for Chinese physical build, much too small for the average person in the UK. In March they started testing (6 weeks after the WHO advised to "Test, Test, Test"), then within a couple of weeks they abandoned it. Also in March our great leader Boris (Bozo) Johnson advised that there was "no point" in wearing face masks in public as they offer little or no protection. Now; the testing that was "of no benefit" in March is suddenly our saviour and The face masks that were of "little or no benefit" must now be worn on public transport, airports etc......

How many cases / deaths have been caused by inaction and completely wrong and misleading information being fed to the UK public by Bozo and his team and the BBC??

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51768274

[Hollow]

These excess deaths happened as a direct consequence of the lockdown and the majority of them will be of the elderly. They were taken out of hospitals and dumped into care homes and basically left there to die. Then you have people who had treatments cancelled for serious health conditions and many others who died at home because they didn't receive appropriate medical care. You also had a situation where people were too afraid to go to hospitals because NHS was in danger of being "overwhelmed". There are similar trends in other countries where deaths spiked as soon as lockdowns went into place.


‘The lockdown is causing so many deaths’

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...o-many-deaths/

The clarion call was to clear the hospitals of patients. There was a point when my local hospital was a quarter full. Staff were wandering around with nothing to do. You hear this idea that all NHS staff have been working 20 times as hard as they have ever done. This is complete nonsense. An awful lot of people have been standing around wondering what the hell to do with themselves. A&E has never been so quiet.

[Lolalee1]

The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.

[Gary A]

I love how people are now coming out saying that locking down was a waste of time because hospitals didn’t get overrun. Isn’t it obvious that the reason they weren’t overrun was because of the lockdown? 99% of the arguments against lockdown actually do nothing but show that lockdown did what it said on the tin.

There’s a good and very true statement in that article, though, and it’s one I think some people really need to pay attention to. Epidemiologists would rather overestimate a risk by 100% than under estimate it by 10%.

Imperial college, and specifically Neil Ferguson, seem to be a good candidate for certain folk venting their spleen, but they simply HAVE TO model out a worst case scenario and pin a likelihood to it. That’s exactly what they did.

One day we will know for sure what could have been done better and what actions were basically overreactions, but at the time we were facing a quickly spreading pandemic that was probably on our shores before anyone even knew. It’s all well and good being a seer now after a few months and saying “I knew we didn’t need that”, but at the time people were being asked to make a call on a virus that was 2 months old.

[Noivous]

The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.

How do you know the lockdowns worked?

[Gary A]

How do you know the lockdowns worked?

They worked from an epidemiological standpoint, as every nation that introduced lockdown measures reduced transmission rates in their respective populations. At a peak the UK was diagnosing around 8000 new cases per day and there were around 900 deaths per day.

Now, with almost 4 months under lockdown measures, there are under 1000 new cases per day and around 100 new deaths. I don’t know how anyone can look at those numbers and come to the conclusion that lockdowns didn’t work.

This virus only goes in waves when we make it go in waves. It’s like a forest fire, so long as it has wood to burn it’ll keep burning. Remove the wood from its path and it has nowhere to go. That’s clearly how this virus operates, it’s clearly not seasonal and it’s clearly not adversely affected by weather. It just goes where it needs to go, if we provide fuel it’ll keep burning.

[Noivous]

Social distancing, face masks, hand washing, disinfecting, wiping aren't lockdown. I think we should have done that without locking everything down where literally hundreds of millions lost their livelihoods. Mostly younger people. And the self employed have been devastated.

[WiredIncorrectly]

The Lockdowns in Aus worked what you are saying is a load of bullshit.
Maybe if Bozo the clown and along with Don the Con your country wouldn’t have been hit as hard,and ignorant people not listening to wise advice from prominent health doctors worldwide.
You can stick all your Conspiracy Theories up your clacker.

I'm willing to place bets on your country being larger and less dense than the UK. In most housing estates in the UK we're packed like sardines for miles on end.

Let's look at he figures:

Australia has a very low population density of just 3 people per square kilometer, or 7 per square mile

And for the UK:

As of 2019, the population density for the United Kingdom was 275 people per square kilometer.

Please don't storm posts with anger. There's other forums for that, and this isn't one of them. Fed up of my posts being locked because people go off into full rage mode. Honestly, best thing to do when you feel like that (to anybody reading) is close down your Internet and relax.

[Pamplemousse]

Honestly, best thing to do when you feel like that (to anybody reading) is close down your Internet and relax.

Hear hear.

[Lencoboy]

They worked from an epidemiological standpoint, as every nation that introduced lockdown measures reduced transmission rates in their respective populations. At a peak the UK was diagnosing around 8000 new cases per day and there were around 900 deaths per day.

Now, with almost 4 months under lockdown measures, there are under 1000 new cases per day and around 100 new deaths. I don’t know how anyone can look at those numbers and come to the conclusion that lockdowns didn’t work.

This virus only goes in waves when we make it go in waves. It’s like a forest fire, so long as it has wood to burn it’ll keep burning. Remove the wood from its path and it has nowhere to go. That’s clearly how this virus operates, it’s clearly not seasonal and it’s clearly not adversely affected by weather. It just goes where it needs to go, if we provide fuel it’ll keep burning.

Surely our original full-on lockdown did actually work (despite being administered about a fortnight too late) given our daily confirmed cases over the past week or so have thankfully remained below 1k, and Thursday was the first time our daily confirmed deaths were in double figures on a weekday, otherwise both our cases and deaths would probably be sky high by now had we not gone into lockdown on 23rd March.

Obviously the next couple of weeks will be the real test as to how things pan out here in the UK re COVID-19, only time will tell.