The Politics of Covid 19

[Pamplemousse]

Yeah. While I can't blame anyone for wanting to live here in socal, as the weather pretty much is paradise most of the time, we do have a lot people who made money in other places and then move out here to drive our prices up! I guess, as long as they pay their taxes, I can't complain too much, though. Harry and Meghan better not be dodging any taxes!

That happens in so many places though and not on that sort of scale either. Ask anyone born and raised in Southwold for example, or Cornwall, or what's going on in Manchester at the moment. It even happened where I live some thirty years ago.

[pulisa]

Nah, you can keep him. We don't want him back. Typical hypocrisy of so many Brit "stars" - moan about the state of the UK from their Hollywood mansions.

Loads of Champagne Socialists here too..

[Pamplemousse]

Loads of Champagne Socialists here too..

I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).

What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".

However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...

[Lencoboy]

I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).
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What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".

However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...

Or much rather, still threatening to turn things upside down, as it never actually went away. (please excuse my pedantry).

[pulisa]

I never quite 'got' that statement - "Champagne Socialist". It's as though you can only ever be resolutely working-class with holes in your socks in order to be a socialist. There is such a thing as "aspirational Socialism", it was something Wilson tried in the 60s and Blair in the 90s (before he found God and Dubya).

What does annoy me is a particular nonsense called "luxury communism". As someone whose father escaped a certain death under Uncle Joe after WW2, that sort of nonsense is particularly offensive to my ears. There does seem to be a mindset now that you can never, ever, get away from the social class you were born in: I came from a C2D background yet now I'd be classed as AB. So my inner socialist says "I had the chances - why shouldn't everyone else be given them?".

However, what that has to do with this damned virus, which is threatening to turn things upside down yet again...

I'm thinking of those in the celeb world who think they are men/women of the people yet clearly aren't and who enjoy a luxury lifestyle whilst tossing coins at Big Issue sellers..

[Pamplemousse]

Or much rather, still threatening to turn things upside down, as it never actually went away. (please excuse my pedantry).

Excused, dear boy

[Pamplemousse]

I'm thinking of those in the celeb world who think they are men/women of the people yet clearly aren't and who enjoy a luxury lifestyle whilst tossing coins at Big Issue sellers..

I call those "Guardian readers" - although normally they'll be the ones stepping over the homeless, having driven to the organic co-operative Free Trade supermarket in their hybrid/electric 4x4...

[dorabella]

The thought of those who live in ivory towers comes to mind ... too many liberal intellectuals aspiring to be 'of the people' when in fact they have no connection to the class of people in question. London is full of them - most are in the Labour Party which ceased being a party of the working classes in the 1940s. Political and social Utopia is a pipe dream - hasn't worked in Eastern Europe and won't ever work in the West.

All that the current crisis has done is given people too much time to think and exercise political lunacy. When people get back to relative normality and have productive things to occupy their minds (like going back to work) I suspect all the political and social idiocy will fade away to the background ... where it belongs quite frankly.

[KK77]

The Lancet publication actually said that hydroxychloroquine caused a much higher mortality rate, and was later retracted due to the study involved being unavailable for peer review.

The publication actually caused many trials to halt their hydroxychloroquine studies, and when retracted the trails recommenced.

There is far more to the Lancet story - including a group of MDs in the US who dared to speak out against Fauci and the WHO re Hydroxychloroquine therapy for COVID-19. Suffice to say, they were quickly censored and shut down on YouTube and other SM platforms.

But let's look at a country like Turkey which didn't enforce a "full" nationwide lockdown like the UK and is routinely using Hydroxychloroquine (in conjunction with steroid meds in some cases) to treat COVID-19 patients. In country with a greater population than the UK it has a low "COVID-19-related" death toll of 5,700. 220,000 COVID-19 patients are said to have recovered.

So President Erdogan is doing something right by rejecting WHO "directives", as are some other countries we rarely hear about on the BBC and mainstream news

[AntsyVee]

Yeah, but I can you trust the numbers coming out of Turkey either? Erdogan has more dictatorial fantasies than I do