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    The vaccine

    I’ve been thinking of starting a thread on this for some time now. I’m growing more concerned by the day, going through my own social media, to see the vast amounts of misinformation surrounding vaccination and, more alarmingly, folk swallowing it all.

    My own mother has decided that she will not be taking a vaccine if and when it arises, and she is a healthcare worker who’s best friend died from Covid-19 in April. I discussed this with her and was alarmed at the amount of stock she seemed to put on anti-vax propaganda that’s being circulated on social media. As I said, she’s a frontline healthcare worker who has witnessed first hand what this disease does, both in a personal and professional setting.

    So what is giving such concern? Why are folk all of a sudden turning against the idea of vaccination? Is the science actually flawed? Are people genuinely suffering horrific effects of vaccination worldwide?

    My intent here is to welcome all views and, I promise, not to turn this into anything other than a discussion aimed at clearing the waters when it comes to vaccination. I feel this forum sees large amounts of folk who have difficulty trusting medicine and doctors so I think it’s a discussion worth having.

    If you have doubts, what are they? Let’s see if we can have an open dialogue about this and get to the correct answer.

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    People are swallowing it because society has turned into the herd like fvcking stupidity that was described in the film 'Idiocracy'.

    Doesn't matter if you're related to them, they're fvcking idiots.


    Just tell them to go read up on smallpox. 30% fatality rate for around 3000 years, and then a vaccine was discovered. If a vaccine hadn't been discovered, probably half of us here wouldn't even exist.


    A vaccine is accelerated herd immunity. That's it. It stops people dying, but 'may' be a problem for a minute percentage of people. It's a numbers game, just like crossing the road.

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    Re: The vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by ankietyjoe View Post
    People are swallowing it because society has turned into the herd like fvcking stupidity that was described in the film 'Idiocracy'.

    Doesn't matter if you're related to them, they're fvcking idiots.


    Just tell them to go read up on smallpox. 30% fatality rate for around 3000 years, and then a vaccine was discovered. If a vaccine hadn't been discovered, probably half of us here wouldn't even exist.


    A vaccine is accelerated herd immunity. That's it. It stops people dying, but 'may' be a problem for a minute percentage of people. It's a numbers game, just like crossing the road.
    The interesting additional point I'd like to add is that such vaccines were discovered in far less scientific times. We are far more likely to create a safe controlled one now than back then.

    But I think part of the problem is the 'big pharma' paranoia (whether warranted or not) and some people's politics. Nancy Pelosi's stunningly ignorant remarks over a UK derived vaccine being one example. People are very suspicious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    The interesting additional point I'd like to add is that such vaccines were discovered in far less scientific times. We are far more likely to create a safe controlled one now than back then.
    Exactly this Terry. Edward Jenner and his curiosity over why milk maids never seemed to contract smallpox. He found that when they contracted cowpox from the cows, a milder disease than smallpox, this provided cross immunity. Jenner died in 1823, so unless CTs go back as far as this, I don't see why people are so fearful of a Covid jab. Covid the disease or Covid the vaccine, I know which one I'd choose.
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    Re: The vaccine

    People have the freedom to choose in regards to their health, whether they wish to have the vaccine or not.

    I am not a raging anti-vaxxer, but I am cautious of vaccines for good reason. My brother had a very severe reaction to a vaccine.

    Now, I do not say that to scare, or to 'convert' people. It was a rare scenario and this was back in the 90s. However, I think in my case, it is perfectly understandable to be wary of a vaccine and people should respect that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Libra96 View Post
    People have the freedom to choose in regards to their health, whether they wish to have the vaccine or not.

    I am not a raging anti-vaxxer, but I am cautious of vaccines for good reason. My brother had a very severe reaction to a vaccine.

    Now, I do not say that to scare, or to 'convert' people. It was a rare scenario and this was back in the 90s. However, I think in my case, it is perfectly understandable to be wary of a vaccine and people should respect that.
    Yep people should have the choice just hope some countries don’t try and ban those who decide not to get it.

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    Re: The vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by fishman65 View Post
    Exactly this Terry. Edward Jenner and his curiosity over why milk maids never seemed to contract smallpox. He found that when they contracted cowpox from the cows, a milder disease than smallpox, this provided cross immunity. Jenner died in 1823, so unless CTs go back as far as this, I don't see why people are so fearful of a Covid jab. Covid the disease or Covid the vaccine, I know which one I'd choose.
    The basic principle of which is used today to create the covid vaccines (except the mrna ones), invoke an antibody reaction by tricking the body into thinking it's under attack. The mrna vaccines the biggest issues have been down to the fact that if the message encoded in them isn't perfect the body breaks them down and ignores them as they are a natural substance.

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    Re: The vaccine

    I think the growing anti-vax movement is part of something much deeper and wider that goes back decades. Ever since JFK's assassination, the lies of the Vietnam War and Watergate, there's been growing distrust in Western countries about elites, leaders, institutions, etc. Look at the massive growth in conspiracy theories since the 1960s. 9/11 and the dubious Iraq War of 2003 only added fuel to the fire. Basically nobody trusts anyone anymore, and the rise of the internet and social media has only increased the paranoia.

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    Re: The vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by Panicattacka View Post
    I think the growing anti-vax movement is part of something much deeper and wider that goes back decades. Ever since JFK's assassination, the lies of the Vietnam War and Watergate, there's been growing distrust in Western countries about elites, leaders, institutions, etc. Look at the massive growth in conspiracy theories since the 1960s. 9/11 and the dubious Iraq War of 2003 only added fuel to the fire. Basically nobody trusts anyone anymore, and the rise of the internet and social media has only increased the paranoia.

    I think this sums it up greatly.
    The other piece I'd add to this is the media. Media is a BUSINESS, and this includes supposed news outlets (but moreso the tabloids, which are becoming more and more prevelant and disguised as trustworthy sources).
    Media RELIES on clicks, views, subscribers, and followings. They do and say what sells and creates this - regardless of if it's factual. In fact, it's in their best interest to emphasize and push things to the extreme, and in the arena of FEAR and SHOCK.
    So, one person gets a blood clot a week after a vaccine. Could it be caused by the vaccine? Of course. Should the public be informed of it? Sure. Does the Media BLOW IT out of proportion and manipulate it to cause MASS hysteria to make money? DEFINITELY.

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    Re: The vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by Panicattacka View Post
    I think the growing anti-vax movement is part of something much deeper and wider that goes back decades. Ever since JFK's assassination, the lies of the Vietnam War and Watergate, there's been growing distrust in Western countries about elites, leaders, institutions, etc. Look at the massive growth in conspiracy theories since the 1960s. 9/11 and the dubious Iraq War of 2003 only added fuel to the fire. Basically nobody trusts anyone anymore, and the rise of the internet and social media has only increased the paranoia.
    I think you've hit the nail on the head there Panicattacka.

    I think there's far too many know-it-alls in today's society, exacerbated by the Internet and social media and those who will just believe any load of old pony, regardless of whether it's true or false. I mean, look at all the big global kerfuffle over toilet rolls back in March due to some imbecille down under posting misinformation online about (false) shortages with possible anti- China agendas added to the mix!

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