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    US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715

    These vaccines are playing with fire. No one has a clue what even the short and mid-term consequences are of taking them, never mind the long-term. If you aren't in a high risk category why would you risk putting this stuff in your body?

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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by Panicattacka View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715

    These vaccines are playing with fire. No one has a clue what even the short and mid-term consequences are of taking them, never mind the long-term. If you aren't in a high risk category why would you risk putting this stuff in your body?
    Do you mean just the J & J vaccines or all of them, even Pfizer?

    After all, the J & J hasn't even landed within our shores as yet, so not really an issue here right now.

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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    Panicattacka is our resident anti-vaxxer, who regularly posts non-sensical sensationalist ignorant articles and statements, with an evident lack of understanding of some basic science, and doesn't return to answer any questions (well its not happened thus far) .

    I enjoy his/her posts, as they provide the perfect opportunity for the sensible, mathematical, scientifically knowledgeable residents here to make informed counter points and break apart the theories proposed by PA. I'm sure there will be some below soon ......
    Last edited by Carys; 13-04-21 at 13:54.

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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by Panicattacka View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715

    These vaccines are playing with fire. No one has a clue what even the short and mid-term consequences are of taking them, never mind the long-term. If you aren't in a high risk category why would you risk putting this stuff in your body?

    They do have a clue. Both virology and vaccines are a sciences that are centuries old.

    There can be outlying data points (in the case of vaccines, rare reactions) that is allowing your ignorance to make bold, hysterical comments.

    But, people die from eating peanuts and crossing the road, so maybe we should ban those too?

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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by Panicattacka View Post
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56733715

    These vaccines are playing with fire. No one has a clue what even the short and mid-term consequences are of taking them, never mind the long-term. If you aren't in a high risk category why would you risk putting this stuff in your body?
    Trouble is..How do you know how ill you might be if you got covid? Even if you're young and healthy. It's not something you can predict with certainty.

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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    Quote Originally Posted by ankietyjoe View Post
    They do have a clue. Both virology and vaccines are a sciences that are centuries old.

    There can be outlying data points (in the case of vaccines, rare reactions) that is allowing your ignorance to make bold, hysterical comments.

    But, people die from eating peanuts and crossing the road, so maybe we should ban those too?
    You're dead right, there is the risk of a gazillion other untoward occurrences on a daily basis that could potentially kill us, that most of us don't usually give as much as a second thought to.

    And as far as peanuts and other allergy-inducing foods are concerned, the brands selling the products do by law have a duty to print warnings on the packaging informing consumers that they may cause allergic reactions amongst certain individuals.

    Ditto for advisory notices on alcoholic drink packaging.

    But like you have already implied, to ban them all outright just for the sake of adverse reactions in a small minority of individuals, would be totally irrational and indeed, nonsensical!

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    6 cases out of 6.8m.

    Or we could think of the contraceptive pill at 1 in 1000 blood clots per US figures. Yet no big panic.

    Why take the pill?

    I wonder how this risk compares to things we do that we don't consider? As one scientist recently said this risk is like driving 250 miles yet we don't think twice about that.
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    Re: US agencies call for pause in Johnson & Johnson vaccine

    The Guardian currently has a couple of articles, one called 'closing the gap on risk perception and reality' and the other 'how big are the blood clot risks of the AZ vaccine'. Both worth looking up to counteract the media fear frenzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carys View Post
    The Guardian currently has a couple of articles, one called 'closing the gap on risk perception and reality' and the other 'how big are the blood clot risks of the AZ vaccine'. Both worth looking up to counteract the media fear frenzy.
    I agree with you wholeheartedly Carys, but will those who revel in all the drama take any notice though?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsTerry View Post
    6 cases out of 6.8m.

    Or we could think of the contraceptive pill at 1 in 1000 blood clots per US figures. Yet no big panic.

    Why take the pill?

    I wonder how this risk compares to things we do that we don't consider? As one scientist recently said this risk is like driving 250 miles yet we don't think twice about that.
    Again, I don't understand all the blatant bias and 'singling out' going on right now.

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