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darkside4k
15-10-17, 15:57
Last week I noticed an area in the *very* back of my mouth was hurting when I brushed. I appear to have a sore or an irritated area back there and it is still there and hurting now over a week later.
I'm very concerned this is oral cancer. I am 30 and have never smoke or drank in my life.
However, I am worried somehow I have gotten oral cancer. If it was anything else, it would have been gone by now after having over a week to heal. This leaves me, unfortunately, with oral cancer as the only possible explanation. Possibly from HPV or something?
This is unbelievably depressing to potentially have this cancer at a young age.
You don't potentially have cancer. You have had a sore that's lasted 7 days. It could be irritated from food or anything and could take longer to heal. It does NOT mean you have cancer and that isn't the only explanation.
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darkside4k
15-10-17, 16:53
Some other symptoms are starting to make sense now. I realized my lymph node under my jaw on that side has been a little sore / swollen. I've also been having a little ear pain on that side and a sore throat.
This all makes the picture clearer and I think really confirms the possibility of cancer on that side.
Things it can't be: canker sore, would not last this long and would not cause other symptoms.
Some other symptoms are starting to make sense now. I realized my lymph node under my jaw on that side has been a little sore / swollen. I've also been having a little ear pain on that side and a sore throat.
This all makes the picture clearer and I think really confirms the possibility of cancer on that side.
Things it can't be: canker sore, would not last this long and would not cause other symptoms.
Seriously? If it's a sore lymph node it is infected meaning not cancer. I have one under my jaw it's normal anatomy. It doesn't confirm anything at all apart that you are googling this like mad. You have had it for a week mouth sores take up to 3 weeks to clear up as your mouth is in use a lot.
Honestly get help with your anxiety this is irrational and saying you have "possible cancer" when you don't at all is disrespectful to people who actually possibly could have cancer - you know the ones with urgent tests and a doctor telling them it's possible.
Capercrohnj
15-10-17, 18:46
Weren't you also sure you had ALS?
Weren't you also sure you had ALS?
I've just seen his other threads. Jesus.
darkside4k
15-10-17, 19:51
The pain is so bad. I think the cancer must be pretty advanced by now and is eating directly into my jaw bone.
Yes I have been scared of other disease but this is perhaps the most convinced I have been thus far just because of the pain and the symptoms being the most undeniable.
Are you actually being serious? You have a child for god sake, if it's that bad go to the a&e.
You're telling me in 4 hours you have all these symptoms, cancer doesn't happen like that in 4 hours.
Pretty advanced cancer has other symptoms which you probably know considering you have convinced yourself of nearly every disease on here, you're extremely lucky to be in good health - some people on this forum aren't.
If you carry this on your child will pick up on it and it isn't a fair environment for the child, get mental help.
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darkside4k
15-10-17, 20:23
The symptoms started over a week ago.
The symptoms started over a week ago.
You had a sore in your mouth over a week ago, you're obsessed with cancer it's honestly not normal. You need help because it's starting to sound like you want everything to be the worst case scenario.
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The pain is so bad. I think the cancer must be pretty advanced by now and is eating directly into my jaw bone.
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Don't talk rot and waste the time of the good people here. You have an ulcer. Get some Bonjela ulcer gel to help pain and see your GP if it doesn't go away in another week.
Simples.
It's questionable if this person is actually being serious or trying to wind people up.
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darkside4k
15-10-17, 21:58
I’m extremely serious about this.
I’m extremely serious about this.
Then why are you completely ignoring everyones advice?
You were convinced you had ALS, your wife had cervical cancer, your poor 5 year old had cancer.
This isn't okay and seriously needs looking into before your poor child picks up on this.
darkside4k
15-10-17, 23:12
I know I have been wrong about Illnesses before but really I feel there is only a tiny chance I’m wrong about this one. Just something about it isn’t right.
Ok DSide... this is what you need to do. First off, you need to see your GP. If he feels it's suspicious, you should get a referral to an ENT. Once you're diagnosed, I would recommend a 2nd opinion at a CCC (Certified Cancer Center). I was treated at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore. It's the top OC hospital in the US. There's also a Hope Lodge you can apply to stay at that's a mile away from the hospital. You'll want to stay nearby as the treatment will knock the poo out of you.
Just know that oral cancer, imagined or not, is curable and I'm living proof of the "not". I have a feeling you'll be a survivor too....
Let us know how you make out!
Positive thoughts
Don't forget he's got to tell them about all the other illnesses!
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They can all be addressed at Johns Hopkins as well. It truly is one of the best cancer hospitals in the country. They're also tops in ALS research and treatment. They'll be able to treat all your cancers and neurological illnesses.
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Wow! I didn't realise that, I'm not from the US myself, sounds like you had a good place to receive treatment. Glad to hear you're doing good.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 01:13
Maybe I have a very rapid growing HPV caused oral cancer. I think that is likely the case since I don’t drink or use tobacco. I have two small children and it pains me to have to leave them at such a young age.
This poster can't be serious? "It pains me to leave them at such a young age" for 1.cancer isn't the death sentence it once was WITH a real diagnosis 2.you don't have cancer.
Seriously starting to wonder if you even have children, I have 3 children and would never act this way myself with my depression I got help as soon as it was available to me.
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I'm fortunate... I'll be deemed "cured" next February. I was Stage IVa, HPV positive with an unknown primary too (1-2% of all H&N cancers are unknown primaries). Johns Hopkins is in the top 10 mental health hospitals too. DSide would be well taken care of there whatever they discover... or don't ;)
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Very glad to hear you will be cured in February, my grandmother has lymphoma and is in remission now she has scans every so many years and they've all been clear since. It's lovely to hear a positive outcome of such a horrible illness - if only yours was imaginary. Some people don't realise how good they have it.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 01:33
Fish,
Wow that’s scary. Honestly I do think that is what it is though. I’ll be calling my dentist to setup an appointment tomorrow. Hopefully it’s not too late. I’ve never been this depressed in my life. Truly.
Maybe I have a very rapid growing HPV caused oral cancer. I think that is likely the case since I don’t drink or use tobacco. I have two small children and it pains me to have to leave them at such a young age.
Why? Where you going?
Cut it out, Darkside. If you are genuine, go to a doctor. If you are a prankster or sicko, then be off with you! :lac:
That's some truth there! I've had two heart attacks, triple bypass, stents, cancer and last year my wife suffered a devastating illness that has left her with an acquired brain injury. I suffer from permanent side effects as well that aren't exactly pleasant.
I wish I or my wife had just one of the clear test results so many here get on a regular basis. Personally, I'd much rather take meds (which I
did for some depression after my illness), go to therapy and work on myself then go through the treatment I did.
Anyway... I'm rambling... Let us know how you make out DSide...
Good luck and as always...
Positive thoughts
That sounds awful, it's surprising how many REAL illnesses you can have but not have health anxiety when really you would think that's when you'd get it more, knowing the harsh reality of all the list above.
I see so many people on here with such little symptoms, I wonder how it would make people with genuine issues like yourself feel if only they could have that "small" symptom.
I agree, I take antidepressants and in a heartbeat I would rather take those than go through any of what you or your wife had too.
Take care Fish! If you can survive all of that you are pretty much immortal! ;)
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Cut it out, Darkside. If you are genuine, go to a doctor. If you are a prankster or sicko, then be off with you! :lac:
If I were a betting woman (or an armchair psychologist), I'd put money on a histrionic PD
If I were a betting woman (or an armchair psychologist), I'd put money on a histrionic PD
You're an armchair diagnostician so I'll go with that ;)
darkside4k
16-10-17, 01:52
I really don't know if I'll be able to sleep until I can have a dentist look at this. I'm at this point about 95% certain it's oral cancer. Fishmanpa's posts have particularly assured me of this.
I need to accept these may be my last few weeks with my children. That is what pains me the most. That and the likely painful medical experiences that lie in my future and ultimately my death.
I've never been this scared over any other of my medical scares. This one is the most real.
Do you tell your wife any of your worries darkside?
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 01:56
Yes
You're an armchair diagnostician so I'll go with that ;)
Heh. That's me, innit
I'm at this point about 95% certain it's oral cancer. Fishmanpa's posts have particularly assured me of this.
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Fishmanpa's posts convinced you of NOTHING. If you are genuine, you convinced YOURSELF. Either way your mind games are a disgrace to all those who truly ARE ill with cancer. Get help :lac:
It's almost like OP wants a terminal illness.
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About your brain tumor:
About your daughter's melanoma:
About YOUR melanoma:
You were sure about having ALS too....
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This really isn't normal behaviour to be thinking of a 5 year old going through chemotherapy for no genuine reason.
I have NEVER looked at my children like that and don't intend to if I never have to.
I wish you all the best darkside and your poor children.
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MyNameIsTerry
16-10-17, 03:05
Darkside, have you ever spoken to anyone about your mental health? A GP maybe? Have they recommended meds or therapy or both? I can't remember without going back over your threads.
Darkside, have you ever spoken to anyone about your mental health? A GP maybe? Have they recommended meds or therapy or both? I can't remember without going back over your threads.
I have been reading them all today - don't think he's mentioned once getting help with it. :(
MyNameIsTerry
16-10-17, 04:52
I have been reading them all today - don't think he's mentioned once getting help with it. :(
Thanks Ellie, I don't recall him mentioning it.
Hopefully at some point he will reach the stage where he forces himself to or someone else pushes him.
We get people like this sometimes. It's up to them to find their motivation. The last two like this did and the first is doing much better (the second has recently started therapy but says is getting there).
I think that we can all agree that Darkside has HA and will remain convinced that there is a deadly disease at play.
Please do not take out your frustration on this thread though.
Darkside FMP has given you excellent options to treat any physical problems but like Terry I would like to know if you have taken any steps regarding your health anxiety?
I agree with Melfish. I doubt whether any responses on this thread will meet Darkside's needs sadly.
I agree with Melfish. I doubt whether any responses on this thread will meet Darkside's needs sadly.
If Melfish is correct then any response will meet OP's needs, as is case with histrionic PD.
Whatever the situation may be, Darkside needs to seek help.
darkside4k
16-10-17, 13:50
I have been to a therapist once.
I plan on calling the dentist this morning to take a look at this. I am VERY concerned and basically 99% sure it is oral cancer now unfortunately.
Annaboodle
16-10-17, 14:04
I have been to a therapist once.
So you have made almost no effort to working on your health anxiety. Hope at some point you're willing to put the commitment and effort in to getting better. Good luck.
darkside4k
16-10-17, 14:10
I need to deal with the possible oral cancer first.
I need to deal with the possible oral cancer first.
No. You need to deal with the anxiety first read your previous posts. You do not have oral cancer.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 14:15
Frankly, we don't know if I have oral cancer or not. I very well could. In fact, it is even looking likely as I now have had a mouth sore of some kind that has not healed in at least 1.5 weeks. It should have.
Frankly, we don't know if I have oral cancer or not. I very well could. In fact, it is even looking likely as I now have had a mouth sore of some kind that has not healed in at least 1.5 weeks. It should have.
Quite frankly none of us commenting know if we are in perfect health.
The sore could be being irritated by food/brushing your teeth etc.
Stop assuming the worse all the time, how do you even live your life like this? I would be seriously worried for your mental health.
If someone come on this thread and said "yes definitely sounds like oral cancer I had exactly that" how would you feel?
If you thought you had a genuine cancer would you not be posting on a cancer forum not a forum for anxiety?
darkside4k
16-10-17, 14:25
Fishmanpa already said he had a similar experience. It has made me a lot worse. In fact, it has helped confirm that it is indeed what I have.
Fishmanpa already said he had a similar experience. It has made me a lot worse. In fact, it has helped confirm that it is indeed what I have.
He told you the treatment for his cancer, you also can't compare two different peoples cancers. Stop trying.
Get a grip and focus on your children.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 15:22
The dentist can't see me until next Monday. Wondering if I should seek another dentist who can see me sooner for this. The longer I wait the more the cancer could progress.
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I have pain in my jaw and even in my ear. The cancer is pretty advanced I'm afraid. Perhaps I just noticed it when it started hurting but it has been growing for a while.
The dentist can't see me until next Monday. Wondering if I should seek another dentist who can see me sooner for this. The longer I wait the more the cancer could progress.
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I have pain in my jaw and even in my ear. The cancer is pretty advanced I'm afraid. Perhaps I just noticed it when it started hurting but it has been growing for a while.
You have literally diagnosed yourself why go dentist? It's already spread? Nothing they can do now?
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 16:00
Why would my lymph node be swollen under the sore if I don't have cancer?
Why would my lymph node be swollen under the sore if I don't have cancer?
Get a grip
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MyNameIsTerry
16-10-17, 16:58
Over here people with cancer can wait weeks to be seen to be tested, spend weeks being tested and then wait weeks for a treatment plan to commence. What do the NHS say about this? It doesn't grow quick enough to be a problem.
You are catastrophizing.
When you've seen this dentist if he says you don't have cancer, what next? Will you take the hint to see your GP about your anxiety? What will there be to lose to get their opinion on your mental health?
Over here people with cancer can wait weeks to be seen to be tested, spend weeks being tested and then wait weeks for a treatment plan to commence. What do the NHS say about this? It doesn't grow quick enough to be a problem.
You are catastrophizing.
When you've seen this dentist if he says you don't have cancer, what next? Will you take the hint to see your GP about your anxiety? What will there be to lose to get their opinion on your mental health?
My thoughts exactly, different cancer but my grandmother had hers for over a year her specialist said.
She is now in remission, cancer isn't the death sentence it used to be anymore.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 17:41
I don't live in the UK. I have an appointment with my dentist next week. My wife thinks it looks like a canker sore but I know it would have been gone by now if that was what it was. :/
I hope I'm catching the cancer early.
I don't live in the UK. I have an appointment with my dentist next week. My wife thinks it looks like a canker sore but I know it would have been gone by now if that was what it was. :/
I hope I'm catching the cancer early.
Sure they will do all they can for you.
darkside4k
16-10-17, 18:00
I actually have what seems to be a sinus infection as well and have had one for the past two weeks.
I actually have what seems to be a sinus infection as well and have had one for the past two weeks.
Are you not reading what he says? That wasn't a symptom of his cancer. He had a sinus infection that he thought swelled the node. I have a sinus infection and flu at the minute my gland is up like a hell of a lot and I'm not worried. Why are you?
(Correct me if I'm wrong fish)
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Hey KK... you still have that bag of TYS's I gave you? We'll need them for DSide ;)
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Ah, yes, Fish. I have them sitting in my bottom Complaints drawer ready to be dished out at opportune moment :shades:
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 20:38
I can feel pain when I press on the underside of my jaw, my ear is clogged up and painful, my throat is sore, and I have a painful sore on the inside of my jaw / gums in the very back of my mouth.
I don't think a simple canker sore would cause these symptoms. Or at least no other canker sore I have ever had has.
That leaves cancer as my main alternative. What else could it be?
Get your wife to google Health Anxiety for you, I am sure she will recognise the symptoms
I can feel pain when I press on the underside of my jaw, my ear is clogged up and painful, my throat is sore, and I have a painful sore on the inside of my jaw / gums in the very back of my mouth.
I don't think a simple canker sore would cause these symptoms. Or at least no other canker sore I have ever had has.
That leaves cancer as my main alternative. What else could it be?
It sounds like you have an infection. Maybe a throat infection or something. That could cause a sore throat, a canker sore, and a blocked ear.
You know we are not medically trained but why couldn't it be an abscess/infection or a nasty ulcer, rather than oral cancer? An infection can cause the symptoms you describe.
Think about it...
I can feel pain when I press on the underside of my jaw, my ear is clogged up and painful, my throat is sore, and I have a painful sore on the inside of my jaw / gums in the very back of my mouth.
I don't think a simple canker sore would cause these symptoms. Or at least no other canker sore I have ever had has.
That leaves cancer as my main alternative. What else could it be?
Um...a mouth ulcer? An infected root canal on one of your teeth? A gum infection? Literally dozens of perfectly benign conditions of the ear nose or throat?
You don't care, though. You're only interested in hand wringing and demanding everyone agree that you have cancer. Remember the mole on your hand that had apparently dug deep into your skin and it was advanced and spreading and was going to leave your kids without a dad and blah blah blah?
That was all forgotten about rather quickly, wasn't it? When asked about this, your reply was "my hand is fine now", and that was it.
I don't know if you're serious, frankly, I don't care. What I will say is that while you may have an anxiety disorder, you aren't interested in any way in dealing with it and only ever seen to show up here whenever you want to tell people you have cancer.
Seriously, cut the crap.
I have more than those symptoms. It's winter here and I assumed it was normal.
I'm guessing I have cancer now too.
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darkside4k
16-10-17, 22:44
You also have a sore inside your mouth?
Would a canker sore cause my entire underjaw to become sore even when I touch it from the outside?
You also have a sore inside your mouth?
Would a canker sore cause my entire underjaw to become sore even when I touch it from the outside?
Possibly not but anxiety might if you think about your symptoms they become real etc.
Please this is the last time I will reply - get help. You are ruining your own life and not only that it'll effect your children in the long run, would you want them to grow up like this?
You're 30, young, healthy - cancer isn't as common in younger people, of course anything is possible but it isn't something worth sitting worrying about at your age.
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OMG, dude, did you even read the previous posts before latching on to ellie's comment? I know this HA business is a selfish, inward-focused disorder, but you are something else. Everyone on this board is either in the throes of HA, attempting to recover from it, or selflessly giving their time to help others who are suffering. I don't even know what you are trying to gain here, apart from being an attention vampire. People are giving you sound advice and reassuring you it's not cancer. If nothing else, think of your poor kid. Be a role model, and not an overdramatic, self-pitying jerk.
MyNameIsTerry
17-10-17, 01:39
I think that we can all agree that Darkside has HA and will remain convinced that there is a deadly disease at play.
Please do not take out your frustration on this thread though.
Darkside FMP has given you excellent options to treat any physical problems but like Terry I would like to know if you have taken any steps regarding your health anxiety?
Needs a bump...
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I don't live in the UK. I have an appointment with my dentist next week. My wife thinks it looks like a canker sore but I know it would have been gone by now if that was what it was. :/
I hope I'm catching the cancer early.
The point I was making is that the NHS, one of the best on the world and very big on cancer research/treatment, don't believe small delays mean that much.
As an example, if you are even an advanced sufferer you will wait weeks to start chemo. They don't rush you on a stretcher and hook you up, which is the impression I think some have when they think going to A&E's will mean you get treated for cancer any quicker than seeing your GP.
Forget what we are saying, what do you think about what your wife is saying. We have nothing invested in you, she does. Would she take the risk? The same with your worries about your child a while back, what did she say about that? Wouldn't she, and you, be rushing your child to doctors?
No possible cancer worriers come onto a mental health website. That's a big clue and despite how you come across in your posts you must know this even if you can't admit it to us. It's like going onto a car forum and askig about a bad back.
People with anxiety can go years before getting professional help. It's very common, I've seen it face to face in groups as well as places like this. People get frustrated that sufferers aren't rushing to every service that exists but that's part of the disorder for many of us. I asked if you would consider seeing a doctor to discuss the possibility of needing help with your mental health. When I did this I know many anxiety sufferers will be afraid to take that step, I was one of them too, so there is no pressure from me but being able to at least admit that you need help would be worth it.
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It sounds like you have an infection. Maybe a throat infection or something. That could cause a sore throat, a canker sore, and a blocked ear.
And swollen lymph nodes near to the site of infection due to greater load, a natural response of the immune system.
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My thoughts exactly, different cancer but my grandmother had hers for over a year her specialist said.
She is now in remission, cancer isn't the death sentence it used to be anymore.
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I'm glad to hear your grandmother is in remission. :yesyes::yahoo:
My nana had bowel cancer in her seventies and beat it. That was over 30 years ago, things are much better now.
darkside4k
17-10-17, 04:09
Wow tonight on news there was article about HPV and oral cancer in men. Like what are the odds? To me this is a huge sign that this what I’m dealing with. It couldn’t be any clearer.
MyNameIsTerry
17-10-17, 05:41
You and lots of other men worrying about oral cancer because you all have HA. Yet each one of you will assume it was broadcast to confirm your suspicions and not for the other hundreds & thousands.
Why talk about it on here if you have it?
Do you want to keep living like this? Doesn't it upset you & your family?
Needs a bump...
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The point I was making is that the NHS, one of the best on the world and very big on cancer research/treatment, don't believe small delays mean that much.
As an example, if you are even an advanced sufferer you will wait weeks to start chemo. They don't rush you on a stretcher and hook you up, which is the impression I think some have when they think going to A&E's will mean you get treated for cancer any quicker than seeing your GP.
Forget what we are saying, what do you think about what your wife is saying. We have nothing invested in you, she does. Would she take the risk? The same with your worries about your child a while back, what did she say about that? Wouldn't she, and you, be rushing your child to doctors?
No possible cancer worriers come onto a mental health website. That's a big clue and despite how you come across in your posts you must know this even if you can't admit it to us. It's like going onto a car forum and askig about a bad back.
People with anxiety can go years before getting professional help. It's very common, I've seen it face to face in groups as well as places like this. People get frustrated that sufferers aren't rushing to every service that exists but that's part of the disorder for many of us. I asked if you would consider seeing a doctor to discuss the possibility of needing help with your mental health. When I did this I know many anxiety sufferers will be afraid to take that step, I was one of them too, so there is no pressure from me but being able to at least admit that you need help would be worth it.
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And swollen lymph nodes near to the site of infection due to greater load, a natural response of the immune system.
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I'm glad to hear your grandmother is in remission. :yesyes::yahoo:
My nana had bowel cancer in her seventies and beat it. That was over 30 years ago, things are much better now.
Glad to hear your nana beat cancer too! Amazing what healthcare in the UK/US can do now and even back then.
Wish people would see some of the positives for a change but google is full of horror stories, I stay it off it myself. I don't even have HA and I think google could convince me of having anything.
My doctor advises me and other patients to stay off google and see him when we have a genuine health concern. So surely if doctors are warning of google, we shouldn't use it for health issues. People should use it for nice things like pictures of dogs, games, it's amazing when you use it properly and in a good way!
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Wow tonight on news there was article about HPV and oral cancer in men. Like what are the odds? To me this is a huge sign that this what I’m dealing with. It couldn’t be any clearer.
This is getting ridiculous now - quite frankly you're looking to problems that aren't there.
I seen a advert for breast cancer earlier. They're to raise awareness not a sign you have it. I can't ever remember a doctor asking "did you see a advert as that is a sign" Lol!
Time to pull yourself together now. I hope your appointment goes well and confirms you don't have it then you can get help for the anxiety, showing a therapist your post history would probably help.
Dark side, you are obviously in a lot of distress at the moment and getting yourself further worked up. Anxiety will make you further catastrophise the situation.
Firstly, you need to go to the doctor to get them to check you out. As others have said, it's probably something completely normal like a mouth ulcer. These can take a long time to heal. If the doctor thinks it's anything that breeds further looking at, he or she will refer you on. They look at things like this all the time and will know what things are worth referring on and what doesn't. Take their advice. Don't Google! Including statistics.
You do need to mention while you are there about your spiralling health anxiety. This is the thing that is really negatively impacting on your health and quality of life (and your family's). You need to be aware that a five year old can easily pick up on your worries and it will affect them. Do you want them to worry that they are going to lose their father because they have heard you speaking about it happening? Your health anxiety will not magically get better unless you get treatment. Don't be ashamed, the doctors will be sympathetic and will help you. They are probably more than aware already of your health anxiety from your history and will be pleased you are seeking help. If you do get prescribed antidepressants (which they may or may not give you), be aware that they don't work instantly but take time to build up. Speak to the doctors about what to do to calm your panic in the meantime. If you don't get help, your recent medical problem will resolve, you'll feel better for a while and then you'll latch on to something else (and demand reassurance/tests etc). It's the nature of the health anxiety beast.
As for seeing 'signs, this is a typical symptom of health anxiety. I remember this happening all the time when I was at my worst. I kept seeing Macmillan posters and adverts and it seemed that every second person was telling me about someone they knew being diagnosed with cancer and this seemed to be a 'sign' to immediately go to the doctor to demand tests. This was just the health anxiety causing hyper vigilance, a typical anxiety reaction.
Other posters commenting on here (especially those that actually don't have health anxiety), remember Dark side is on an health anxiety forum obviously needing help. He is in the middle of a spiral, is probably in a panic, hi whole body in flight or fight mode. I've been there and know how it feels physically and mentally. Some comments people have left have been useful but others have been a bit judgemental (especially by those stating they don't have health anxiety! Someone's car analogy comes to mind here - would someone go on a car forum giving advice about dealing with cars if they had no experience of it?).
Dark side, see the doctor to give you reassurance about your mouth but you must mention your anxiety as well. This does need addressed for the good of your health.
Good luck xxx
Let's see... I first noticed a node on my neck in August of 2012. I had a sinus infection and thought it was in reaction to it. The infection lingered so the doc gave me some antibiotics. Ran the ten days of meds and no change. Doc said give it another week or so. Then I had my 2nd heart attack. So by now, we're into late October. Go see the doc to follow up on the heart attack and show him the node which had grown. Another stronger round of meds... no change. By now you could clearly see the node on my neck. We're into November now. Off to the ENT, CT scan, FNAB and BAM! Diagnosed. A full three months after discovering the node. A month later, had my tonsils removed and biopsies long for the primary site. Nothing. Then can what I told you. Johns Hopkins for a 2nd opinion and it was a no brainer to seek treatment there.
Then... in Feb of 2013, I had a partial neck dissection to remove the cancer. Mind you, by that time it looked like I had the mumps on the left side of my neck. A month after that I started 6 weeks of treatment.
I'm saying all this so you can see how far off you really are. BUT... that being said, I'm waiting for you to latch onto something I said to falsely affirm your fears ;)
Again, let us know what the doctor says. I have a "Told ya so" all ready. Hey KK... you still have that bag of TYS's I gave you? We'll need them for DSide ;)
Seriously dude... your post history is littered with this total irrationality. It's time to seek real life help for your sake and your family.
Positive thoughts
You know we are not medically trained but why couldn't it be an abscess/infection or a nasty ulcer, rather than oral cancer? An infection can cause the symptoms you describe.
Think about it...
Um...a mouth ulcer? An infected root canal on one of your teeth? A gum infection? Literally dozens of perfectly benign conditions of the ear nose or throat?
You don't care, though. You're only interested in hand wringing and demanding everyone agree that you have cancer. Remember the mole on your hand that had apparently dug deep into your skin and it was advanced and spreading and was going to leave your kids without a dad and blah blah blah?
That was all forgotten about rather quickly, wasn't it? When asked about this, your reply was "my hand is fine now", and that was it.
I don't know if you're serious, frankly, I don't care. What I will say is that while you may have an anxiety disorder, you aren't interested in any way in dealing with it and only ever seen to show up here whenever you want to tell people you have cancer.
Seriously, cut the crap.
OMG, dude, did you even read the previous posts before latching on to ellie's comment? I know this HA business is a selfish, inward-focused disorder, but you are something else. Everyone on this board is either in the throes of HA, attempting to recover from it, or selflessly giving their time to help others who are suffering. I don't even know what you are trying to gain here, apart from being an attention vampire. People are giving you sound advice and reassuring you it's not cancer. If nothing else, think of your poor kid. Be a role model, and not an overdramatic, self-pitying jerk.
Read these posts again Darkside. You're repeating yourself so we might as well do the same....
MyNameIsTerry
17-10-17, 10:39
Other posters commenting on here (especially those that actually don't have health anxiety), remember Dark side is on an health anxiety forum obviously needing help. He is in the middle of a spiral, is probably in a panic, hi whole body in flight or fight mode. I've been there and know how it feels physically and mentally. Some comments people have left have been useful but others have been a bit judgemental (especially by those stating they don't have health anxiety! Someone's car analogy comes to mind here - would someone go on a car forum giving advice about dealing with cars if they had no experience of it?).
I think you might have missed the point of my car analogy. The point was that those with potential cancers don't join anxiety forums and spend months arguing they have it just like those with bad back problems don't join car forums to ask about bad backs. You join anxiety forums because you know you have anxiety. So at some level the OP must realise this or else why come here when cancer forums are more relevant?
I may not have HA themes but I'm well versed in GAD & OCD. Perhaps have a look at my post history in talking to people like the OP where I'm saying what you are here. You will find many such posts. And I know the impact of anxiety in my own case so I'm well aware of how destructive it is. HA is no worse than any other.
I'm not sure how you read any of that as judgemental? :shrug:
Dark side, you are obviously in a lot of distress at the moment and getting yourself further worked up. Anxiety will make you further catastrophise the situation.
Firstly, you need to go to the doctor to get them to check you out. As others have said, it's probably something completely normal like a mouth ulcer. These can take a long time to heal. If the doctor thinks it's anything that breeds further looking at, he or she will refer you on. They look at things like this all the time and will know what things are worth referring on and what doesn't. Take their advice. Don't Google! Including statistics.
You do need to mention while you are there about your spiralling health anxiety. This is the thing that is really negatively impacting on your health and quality of life (and your family's). You need to be aware that a five year old can easily pick up on your worries and it will affect them. Do you want them to worry that they are going to lose their father because they have heard you speaking about it happening? Your health anxiety will not magically get better unless you get treatment. Don't be ashamed, the doctors will be sympathetic and will help you. They are probably more than aware already of your health anxiety from your history and will be pleased you are seeking help. If you do get prescribed antidepressants (which they may or may not give you), be aware that they don't work instantly but take time to build up. Speak to the doctors about what to do to calm your panic in the meantime. If you don't get help, your recent medical problem will resolve, you'll feel better for a while and then you'll latch on to something else (and demand reassurance/tests etc). It's the nature of the health anxiety beast.
As for seeing 'signs, this is a typical symptom of health anxiety. I remember this happening all the time when I was at my worst. I kept seeing Macmillan posters and adverts and it seemed that every second person was telling me about someone they knew being diagnosed with cancer and this seemed to be a 'sign' to immediately go to the doctor to demand tests. This was just the health anxiety causing hyper vigilance, a typical anxiety reaction.
Other posters commenting on here (especially those that actually don't have health anxiety), remember Dark side is on an health anxiety forum obviously needing help. He is in the middle of a spiral, is probably in a panic, hi whole body in flight or fight mode. I've been there and know how it feels physically and mentally. Some comments people have left have been useful but others have been a bit judgemental (especially by those stating they don't have health anxiety! Someone's car analogy comes to mind here - would someone go on a car forum giving advice about dealing with cars if they had no experience of it?).
Dark side, see the doctor to give you reassurance about your mouth but you must mention your anxiety as well. This does need addressed for the good of your health.
Good luck xxx
You're right he is on a health anxiety forum, claiming to have cancer, so isn't this the wrong forum for him more like? he hasn't mentioned ONCE he will get help for his anxiety after this blows over.
He had advice from fish who had cancer and he clinged onto that and still didn't admit it was just anxiety playing him up. I don't have health anxiety either but I do have OCD and depression, without the help I got I wouldn't of been able to get better like I am now. Surely reading his replies you can see he's not accepted one bit of help in fact when someone who's been through cancer advised him he pretty much could of replied "same" because he thinks he is going through the same thing.
I don't see where anyone's been unnecessarily judgmental, people are trying to help. How many times can we all sit here and type "darkside you don't have cancer"
darkside4k
17-10-17, 14:10
I'm not joking about any of this. I am very serious.
My whole left side of my jaw where the sore is is still very sore and my ear on that side feels clogged up. I am basically just waiting for my appointment on Monday. I fear the cancer has progressed pretty far at this point but hopefully I can survive for my kids. That is my greatest fear.
If the sore isn't gone by my appointment on Monday we'll basically know it is cancer anyways because a canker sore would have been gone by then definitely.
MyNameIsTerry
17-10-17, 14:22
If your dentist tells you it is not cancer and you are wrong, what then?
nomorepanic
17-10-17, 14:29
Can I ask why you aren't treating the underlying problem here of anxiety?
darkside4k
17-10-17, 17:02
I first want to deal with this possible cancer. Right now I have no reason to believe it is a simple canker sore, since it has not healed yet and has been around for almost 2 weeks now.
I feel that is more important to get treated before I move on and assume this is only anxiety related. There is a real physical problem to address.
I first want to deal with this possible cancer. Right now I have no reason to believe it is a simple canker sore, since it has not healed yet and has been around for almost 2 weeks now.
I feel that is more important to get treated before I move on and assume this is only anxiety related. There is a real physical problem to address.
One minute you have had the sore a week, then something else. Have you used anything to make the sore better?
You have had so many other worries about your child yourself and your wife and you've always been sure it's cancer now you're doing the same again.
Do you like living like this? Because it sounds like you're pretty happy to keep going on like this
darkside4k
17-10-17, 17:13
No I don't like living like this. Believe it or not I have had stretches in the past of several months without a single health worry. Then something happens and I worry.
I was not anxious about my health until this sore that won't go away appeared. It's a real physical thing. Not something created via anxiety.
I'm simply evaluating the symptoms (painful mouth sore that has been there almost 2 weeks) and connecting the dots. A non-healing mouth sore is one of the primary signs of oral cancer, which I assume I have because the symptoms now fit my case.
No I don't like living like this. Believe it or not I have had stretches in the past of several months without a single health worry. Then something happens and I worry.
I was not anxious about my health until this sore that won't go away appeared. It's a real physical thing. Not something created via anxiety.
I'm simply evaluating the symptoms (painful mouth sore that has been there almost 2 weeks) and connecting the dots. A non-healing mouth sore is one of the primary signs of oral cancer, which I assume I have because the symptoms now fit my case.
It could also mean a million other things.
Okay yes a mouth sore ulcer that doesn't heal is a sign of cancer, but it's one symptom why don't you take a picture of it and in a week have a look and see if it's healed at all.
It may not look completely healed but that doesn't mean it isn't healing, sometimes these things take longer.
I don't want to keep replying as it is keeping your anxiety up - you're getting checked out and as you are sure this is cancer this isn't the right forum to get advice obviously.
Maybe call a support line - here in the UK we can call Macmillan any time we have cancer or cancer worries, don't know if it's the same in the US.
No I don't like living like this. Believe it or not I have had stretches in the past of several months without a single health worry. Then something happens and I worry.
I was not anxious about my health until this sore that won't go away appeared. It's a real physical thing. Not something created via anxiety.
I'm simply evaluating the symptoms (painful mouth sore that has been there almost 2 weeks) and connecting the dots. A non-healing mouth sore is one of the primary signs of oral cancer, which I assume I have because the symptoms now fit my case.
The symptoms also fit the case of a mouth ulcer or an infected tooth.
What is it you want here, seriously? You're not even posting questions, you're posting statements. You keep reiterating that you have cancer and ignoring or arguing against anything to the contrary. So what do you want?
You've already made an appointment with a dentist, so that's dealt with. Why the need to keep telling everyone that you're certain you have cancer? I know you don't have cancer, everyone who's responded to you does, so why should we care that you think you do?
The constant graphic catostrophising won't help people here, you know that don't you? This forum is chock full of people who battle these thoughts, and you're really not helping by piling on the pressure.
You clearly don't want to hear that it's nothing to worry about, because you keep insisting that it is. You clearly don't want any advice on tackling anxiety, because you keep telling us that you need to deal with this "physical ailment".
So, I have to wonder why you're even here. Why are you posting on an anxiety forum, graphically describing cancer symptoms and possible prognosis in a repeated manner?
The symptoms also fit the case of a mouth ulcer or an infected tooth.
What is it you want here, seriously? You're not even posting questions, you're posting statements. You keep reiterating that you have cancer and ignoring or arguing against anything to the contrary. So what do you want?
You've already made an appointment with a dentist, so that's dealt with. Why the need to keep telling everyone that you're certain you have cancer? I know you don't have cancer, everyone who's responded to you does, so why should we care that you think you do?
The constant graphic catostrophising won't help people here, you know that don't you? This forum is chock full of people who battle these thoughts, and you're really not helping by piling on the pressure.
You clearly don't want to hear that it's nothing to worry about, because you keep insisting that it is. You clearly don't want any advice on tackling anxiety, because you keep telling us that you need to deal with this "physical ailment".
So, I have to wonder why you're even here. Why are you posting on an anxiety forum, graphically describing cancer symptoms and possible prognosis in a repeated manner?
Hear, hear. Ditto that ^^
You ask what the OP wants here. That's my question too. I've read hundreds of posts on this board, and I've noticed that HA sufferers, while paralysingly frightened they might have what they fear, rarely announce they have it. It's so rare as to make the OP's post jump out. And that's why I think maybe there's something beyond HA going on here. Munchausen's maybe? He's certainly showed signs of it by proxy. Referring to it as "my cancer" constitutes a delusion, and thus removes it from the diagnostic category of hypochondriasis, which is an anxiety disorder and thus involves DOUBT.
Most HA sufferers at heart want to be reassured they don't have what they fear. They are after a cool reasoned voice to cut through the cognitive distortions and disease conviction that characterise this disorder and help them see clearly. This is not the case with our poster here. He just wants to announce over and over that he has cancer. To what end? Does he want help with the funeral arrangements?
Hear, hear. Ditto that ^^
You ask what the OP wants here. That's my question too. I've read hundreds of posts on this board, and I've noticed that HA sufferers, while paralysingly frightened they might have what they fear, rarely announce they have it. It's so rare as to make the OP's post jump out. And that's why I think maybe there's something beyond HA going on here. Munchausen's maybe? He's certainly showed signs of it by proxy.
Most HA sufferers at heart want to be reassured they don't have what they fear. They are after a cool reasoned voice to cut through the cognitive distortions and disease conviction that characterise this disorder and help them see clearly. This is not the case with our poster here. He just wants to announce over and over that he has cancer. To what end? Does he want help with the funeral arrangements?
Very well said.
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It is a pattern we have seen in the past and no doubt we will see it again.
Darkside you are posting to people who understand anxiety. It is time to trust them and get some help with it.
Darkside sounds so matter-of-fact he could almost be an automaton typing out replies. I think this is why he has been accused of not being genuine. People don't tend to Go gently into that good night... Especially when they feel a sense of impending doom.
Darkside sounds so matter-of-fact he could almost be an automaton typing out replies. I think this is why he has been accused of not being genuine. People don't tend to Go gently into that good night... Especially when they feel a sense of impending doom.
Yes, odd for sure. Almost like the "la belle indifférence" seen in conversion disorder ...
He maybe feels by stating he has the worst case scenario, it's by some means protecting him from it. Illogical I know, but people sometimes do that. It's probably a bit like OCD compulsions I.e. 'if I tap that door handle five times then I'll be protected from....etc. etc.'
Whatever Darkside's motives are he has certainly caused a division of opinion which has been the pattern for "controversial" posters.
He maybe feels by stating he has the worst case scenario, it's by some means protecting him from it. Illogical I know, but people sometimes do that. It's probably a bit like OCD compulsions I.e. 'if I tap that door handle five times then I'll be protected from....etc. etc.'
My HA does a version of that. I think that if I concede it could be anxiety, I'll make it be ALS. Like I'll jinx myself.
Whatever Darkside's motives are he has certainly caused a division of opinion which has been the pattern for "controversial" posters.
I always notice that when these divisive opinions start to surface, the poster is conspicuous in their absence.
For the record, I haven't accused the OP of anything personally, I just want to know what he hopes to achieve by posting in such a manner.
MyNameIsTerry
18-10-17, 05:31
My HA does a version of that. I think that if I concede it could be anxiety, I'll make it be ALS. Like I'll jinx myself.
That's Magical Thinking. My OCD was heavy on MT.
But I don't buy it here, even with MT you could acknowledge a problem. This is more denial to me, just a problem stage some HAers go through.
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Hear, hear. Ditto that ^^
You ask what the OP wants here. That's my question too. I've read hundreds of posts on this board, and I've noticed that HA sufferers, while paralysingly frightened they might have what they fear, rarely announce they have it. It's so rare as to make the OP's post jump out. And that's why I think maybe there's something beyond HA going on here. Munchausen's maybe? He's certainly showed signs of it by proxy. Referring to it as "my cancer" constitutes a delusion, and thus removes it from the diagnostic category of hypochondriasis, which is an anxiety disorder and thus involves DOUBT.
Most HA sufferers at heart want to be reassured they don't have what they fear. They are after a cool reasoned voice to cut through the cognitive distortions and disease conviction that characterise this disorder and help them see clearly. This is not the case with our poster here. He just wants to announce over and over that he has cancer. To what end? Does he want help with the funeral arrangements?
I disagree. He's shown his doubt by just being on an anxiety disorder forum. Delusion would have him on cancer boards telling them he has it and chasing doctors refusing to believe the tests.
He has even said 99% in this thread. Delusion is a solid 100%. He wouldn't be asking, he would be telling. I've just replied to one where he said "possible cancer". That's not an unshakable belief.
There may be more issues here, that's a possibility, but not heading into psychosis.
Like Elen says, we get some like this. I can think of several past usernames just like this guy. Two of them are getting better and they were called trolls and Admin had to stop forum arguments & inflammatory posting.
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I first want to deal with this possible cancer. Right now I have no reason to believe it is a simple canker sore, since it has not healed yet and has been around for almost 2 weeks now.
I feel that is more important to get treated before I move on and assume this is only anxiety related. There is a real physical problem to address.
Sorry, I've done a load of avoidance in my anxiety so it's not hard to spot a swerve.
What comes next?
Are you afraid to admit it could be anxiety?
darkside4k
18-10-17, 16:54
One thing I just read online is that oral caner is usually different from canker sores because it has other symptoms including **earaches**.
As I have been saying, I've been having ear pain on the same side as the canker sore for the last several days as well. Doesn't this seem to point more towards oral cancer rather than just a canker sore?
One thing I just read online is that oral caner is usually different from canker sores because it has other symptoms including **earaches**.
As I have been saying, I've been having ear pain on the same side as the canker sore for the last several days as well. Doesn't this seem to point more towards oral cancer rather than just a canker sore?
Who says it's a canker sore? What about the replies you've had saying it could be a mouth ulcer or an infection of the gums/teeth?
Who says it's a canker sore?
Canker sore is what Seppos call a mouth ulcer.
Canker sore is what Seppos call a mouth ulcer.
The hell is a Seppo? :shrug:
darkside4k
18-10-17, 18:00
I think I was able to get a decent look at it. It is a small whitish/yellow area about the size of a grain of rice maybe. Maybe a bit smaller. On my gums in the very back. Surrounded by slightly red inflammation.
MyNameIsTerry
18-10-17, 18:05
You get earache with an ear infection, which can also bring jaw ache. You get jaw & earache with muscular tension as well as with Bruxism. None of those are cancer.
Try having an infected tooth or gum. Jaw ache, earache again.
Until you see that dentist there is no answer as you're aren't going to believe us. But what then?
You say you won't consider anxiety until after the dentist but what about all your previous health worries? You even mentioned having flare ups & better periods. The choice is yours, keep experiencing all that or get help and that isn't connected to any possible current cancer.
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I think I was able to get a decent look at it. It is a small whitish/yellow area about the size of a grain of rice maybe. Maybe a bit smaller. On my gums in the very back. Surrounded by slightly red inflammation.
Antibiotics time for you then when you get to your dentist. :winks:
The hell is a Seppo? :shrug:
Shortened from rhyming slang. Septic tank = yank
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Seppo
Shortened from rhyming slang. Septic tank = yank
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Seppo
In the UK that rhyming slang means something totally different. :roflmao:
In the UK that rhyming slang means something totally different. :roflmao:
:yesyes:
darkside4k
19-10-17, 02:50
They cut the spot out of my hand and it hasn’t returned.
My ear pain has been stronger today and mouth in a lot of pain even radiating down into my neck, where I assume the cancer has spread.
They cut the spot out of my hand and it hasn’t returned.
My ear pain has been stronger today and mouth in a lot of pain even radiating down into my neck, where I assume the cancer has spread.
You should be a doctor considering you know so much and have made a 100% accurate diagnosis without any tests on yourself.
Have you actually been to a doctor yet? If you're that concerned, you should get yourself checked out to pit your mind at rest. If it's an infection, they should be able to get you antibiotics or something. I'm not an expert, but I doubt that if it was something truly nasty you would go from no symptoms to really bad ones in less than two weeks.
They cut the spot out of my hand and it hasn’t returned.
And I assume that it was deemed to be benign despite your protests to the contrary.
I am not saying that to be unkind but more in the hope that you recognise that this is how you react to changes in your body, and therein lies the root of the problem.
Go back and look at your hand thread and note the similarities.
Instead of researching scary oral cancer stories try and spend a little time researching health anxiety. At least be honest with yourself, it is the first step.
Each and every one of your threads involves you telling everyone how certain you are that you, your wife or your child has cancer. Each and every time you've been 100% wrong.
The moral of the story is that you really need to stop trying to diagnose yourself and your family, because you fu#king suck at it.
darkside4k
19-10-17, 16:38
Still no sign of healing on sore. Ear pain nearly constant, mouth pain on that side is constant.
darkside4k
19-10-17, 16:58
It’s so bad I can not eat on that side of my mouth. Is it possible for oral cancer to go from no symptoms to totally painful on that e tire side of my mouth within 2 weeks?
It’s so bad I can not eat on that side of my mouth.
Better of going to your local hospital if it's that bad and explaining as you can't eat and you need to eat.
darkside4k
19-10-17, 17:04
I can eat I just can't chew on that entire side of my mouth it's so painful. This is the most painful day yet. It is definitely not healing (like a canker sore would). Sadly as time goes on the symptoms are only pointing more and more towards a cancer diagnosis. First it was just painful on the sore, then it spread to my neck and ear, now I can't chew on that side of my mouth because the surrounding teeth are so sore.
darkside4k
19-10-17, 17:12
Do you think I should or should I wait until Monday for my dentist appointment? So you think it's cancer?
You do realise despite what you read cancer isn't like that, it doesn't spread from day to day otherwise early diagnosis would be almost the case for all cancers. It also wouldn't present new symptoms everyday.
You have read so much you are genuinely believing you have cancer, that is delusional and to me sounds like you need real help with your anxiety, wether this was cancer or not your old posts signal you still need help with your anxiety, you have convinced yourself you have so many problems and so many cancers, the real problem here is your anxiety.
You need to go to the ER it will save you time and even get your a diagnosis today and we can all say we told you so.
I have also found a ulcer under my tongue since reading this thread. I am not sat here frantically googling cancer, sores are a part of life.
Move on.
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Health anxiety is a terrible disease but you can't let it take hold of you like this. You're wasting your life. Illnesses with symptoms that spread fast are always bacterial/viral infections of some sort, you do not have cancer. Don't write your life off because of your mental illness. You must get help if you are unable to think even slightly rationally
MyNameIsTerry
19-10-17, 17:30
Sounds like you've got an infection to me.
Not a medical emergency to me. Call a dentist and they try to fit people in. Call a GP and they try to fit people in too.
Obviously this being the US it's different and I'll defer to our American members but if this were the UK the last place you would want to be with this is A&E which is for emergencies that can't be dealt with through other services. You can't eat on one side of your mouth...like anyone who's ever had a toothache.
When I broke a wisdom tooth it got infected and I couldn't eat on that side. It was painful. The dentist got me in quick and gave me antibiotics. These take days to start working so you put up with some pain and wait. Once they start working the pain quickly subsides.
Why not call your dentist and say it's got worse? I've always found them to be very flexible over this stuff.
darkside4k
19-10-17, 18:00
Is it possible for a normal canker sore to last longer than 2 weeks?
nomorepanic
19-10-17, 18:03
Yes
https://www.medicinenet.com/canker_sores/article.htm
some can take up to 6 weeks to heal, they can also return immediately after healing
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also, the absolute minimum time frame for healing is 1-3 weeks so I really wouldn't worry
darkside4k
19-10-17, 19:02
Has anyone ever had a small cut or something that turned into a canker sore a full week later?
Midnight-mouse
19-10-17, 19:06
Has anyone ever had a small cut or something that turned into a canker sore a full week later?
My partner has things like this happen when he’s bitten his lip or caught the back of his mouth with something a little sharp.
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MyNameIsTerry
20-10-17, 01:01
Has anyone ever had a small cut or something that turned into a canker sore a full week later?
What does your wife/GF think about all this? Do you tell her how you feel?
darkside4k
20-10-17, 02:59
She thinks it is probably a mouth sore.
MyNameIsTerry
20-10-17, 04:26
What does she think about how much it is upsetting you and your cancer worries?
darkside4k
20-10-17, 16:07
It bothers her.
My pain is just as bad today. Teeth are just in constant pain on that side. It's VERY clear this is cancer that has grown and shown itself quickly.
Stop and think of your wife and family for just one moment.
You owe it to them to get control of this anxiety.
Continually telling us your symptoms and telling us that it HAS to be cancer are all symptoms of HA that we see on the forum day in and day out.
darkside4k
20-10-17, 20:43
I got one of those dental mirrors to get a better look at the spot.
It's basically on the underneath side of my gum around the very back. Basically underside of where your wisdom teeth would be. There is some kind of cut / sore / lesion / cancer there. It's whitish and a little red around it and very painful.
Thoughts?
nomorepanic
20-10-17, 20:48
Not sure why you are asking us for thoughts - we have all told you what we think and you choose to ignore all the replies and still tell us it is cancer.
I strongly suggest you leave this alone now until you have been to the dentist next week and then re-evaluate your irrational fears.
darkside4k
20-10-17, 21:44
Here is what is concerning me. Two weeks ago brushing my teeth I felt some pain in this area and thought “I felt like I just cut myself”. I went on my day. The next day I noticed some mild stinging in that area when I was eating some pineapple and strawberries.
Then I did not notice any other pain or symptoms for an entire week. The next weekend (last week) I started feeling pain there again and it has gotten very very sensitive and sore since then.
Is it possible I did not cut myself the original time and just felt the still developing oral cancer? Then one week later the symptoms simply got much more intense?
you are still ignoring us
Not sure why you are asking us for thoughts - we have all told you what we think and you choose to ignore all the replies and still tell us it is cancer.
I strongly suggest you leave this alone now until you have been to the dentist next week and then re-evaluate your irrational fears.
*Read the above, Darkside*^^^
I feel for you but this is very ridiculous you have the dentist next week - we can't help you, we've all told you it's probably a infection and you've said no it's cancer you won't listen so what are you gaining from our advice?
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darkside4k
21-10-17, 00:05
Has anyone ever had a similar Situation to what I described?
Has anyone ever had a similar Situation to what I described?
You're either deliberately ignoring people or you're just a blithering idiot.
darkside4k
21-10-17, 00:16
I feel like a lot of people will feel pretty bad if this turns out to be cancer.
nomorepanic
21-10-17, 00:23
But it won't be cancer so we won't feel bad at all.
Please get some help
I feel like a lot of people will feel pretty bad if this turns out to be cancer.
Will you feel bad if it turns out it isn't? Did you feel bad when you were insisting you had skin cancer and it turned out you didn't? Did you feel bad when you were insisting your child had melanoma and it turned out they didn't? How about when your wife had cervical cancer? Or when you had ALS? Or when you had colon cancer?
In fact, did you even acknowledge that you were wrong, thank anyone for their support and apologise for being so insistent while clearly being wrong each and every time? Did you hell, and I'd bet my life savings that you'll eventually accept that this latest drivel is nothing of note, disappear without confirming it to us, then reappear in a few weeks with your latest insistence on some horrible form of cancer.
darkside4k
21-10-17, 00:48
Yes I acknowledge I was wrong about those but this is a way different situation. Many of those symptoms were somewhat vague.
This is a very painful mouth sore that is not only not healing, it is actively getting worse. Since Monday there has been zero improvement. None. It is not an infection because there is no fever, etc.
Yes I acknowledge I was wrong about those but this is a way different situation. Many of those symptoms were somewhat vague.
This is a very painful mouth sore that is not only not healing, it is actively getting worse. Since Monday there has been zero improvement. None. It is not an infection because there is no fever, etc.
Nope, it's exactly the same.
An everyday symptom? Check
You totally overrating your ability to diagnose cancer? Check
You insisting that this can only point to cancer? Check
You posting incessantly on here trying to convince everyone else you have cancer? Check
You ignoring every response? Check
You utterly refusing to treat your anxiety? Check
Infections don't always require a fever, it could be a localised infection. It could be a cut or graze that is taking time to heal because debris in the mouth is preventing it. You don't want to hear that though. You just want to insist you have cancer.
Seriously, stop this utter idiocy.
[I]
I said I wouldn't participate in this nonsense anymore (and it is nonsense as it's beyond rational) but it's important for others to see this as it will help them understand what's taking place here.
About your brain tumor:
About your daughter's melanoma:
About YOUR melanoma:
You were sure about having ALS too....
Positive thoughts
Nothing "vague" about that list of imagined illnesses, Fish.
Nope - I'm afraid we either have a very bad case of HA or a very good hoax :lac:
BB and I enjoyed your remote company in Feathers BTW :shades:
MyNameIsTerry
21-10-17, 01:43
Here is what is concerning me. Two weeks ago brushing my teeth I felt some pain in this area and thought “I felt like I just cut myself”. I went on my day. The next day I noticed some mild stinging in that area when I was eating some pineapple and strawberries.
Then I did not notice any other pain or symptoms for an entire week. The next weekend (last week) I started feeling pain there again and it has gotten very very sensitive and sore since then.
Is it possible I did not cut myself the original time and just felt the still developing oral cancer? Then one week later the symptoms simply got much more intense?
Question. When you break the skin, is it possible germs & bacteria can get into the cut and cause an infection?
Question. Does that include the mouth?
Question: How likely is the above compared to cancer?
Question: Does cancer respond to antibiotics?
Question: If you go to the dentist and he gives you antibiotics and then a week or so later you are better, what does that mean?
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I feel like a lot of people will feel pretty bad if this turns out to be cancer.
What makes you say that? Your health is your responsibility, not mine or anyone elses on here.
If it turns out to be cancer all it means is everyone on here was wrong and you were right. You've booked into to see an appropriate medical professional who will deal with everything in real life for you. The lead time between you being on here and seeing that dentist is nothing to do with anyone on here.
Do you think it's appropriate to say something like this to people on here? Why?
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It bothers her.
My pain is just as bad today. Teeth are just in constant pain on that side. It's VERY clear this is cancer that has grown and shown itself quickly.
You've obviously never had an infection then. When I broke my wisdom tooth and was in a load of pain within days from infection I must have had oral cancer which was cured with tweo courses of antiobiotics and removal of a tooth. Does that sound plausible to you?
Ask anyone who's ever worked in a hospital how important infection control is. More dangerous than many of the operations themselves.
Forgetting about that and getting back to your other half, what does she want to happen? Does she want to keep seeing you like this or does she want you to seek help and be happier?
And what would you say to her if she spent several a year worrying about multiple types of cancers that never were cancer? Would you be concerned about her mental health? What would you want for her? Would you want her to continue to feel like that?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 02:18
Wow. I am even more depressed after visiting the emergency clinic.
The doctor seemed surprised this had been there almost 2 weeks without improvement and fairly concerned.
He prescribed and antibiotic and said I should maybe see a dentist or ENT.
Clearly he suspected this could be more serious than a simple mouth sore.
At this point I KNOW I have HPV induced oral cancer. I truly am more depressed than ever. This is the lowest point in my life. I am dying. I really should have known. Mouth sores heal quickly. This is not improving at all. Mouth sores don’t give you jaw and ear pain. Oral cancer does. It’s been obvious this whole time. Hopefully I die peacefully without pain.
Wow. I am even more depressed after visiting the emergency clinic.
The doctor seemed surprised this had been there almost 2 weeks without improvement and fairly concerned.
He prescribed and antibiotic and said I should maybe see a dentist or ENT.
Clearly he suspected this could be more serious than a simple mouth sore.
At this point I KNOW I have HPV induced oral cancer. I truly am more depressed than ever. This is the lowest point in my life. I am dying. I really should have known. Mouth sores heal quickly. This is not improving at all. Mouth sores don’t give you jaw and ear pain. Oral cancer does. It’s been obvious this whole time. Hopefully I die peacefully without pain.
Okay so you truly believe a doctor who thought you had oral cancer
"Okay have these antibiotics and then maybe see a dentist"
You are in a emergency centre and if they suspected cancer in the UK I think they'd start testing straight away - this is what happened to someone I know anyway.
You don't know you're dying, he's concerned probably because of how severe your symptoms sound but are they really? It even says after 3/4 weeks a sore should be gone it's been 2 weeks and no doubt you look at it and touch it leading to more germs and less healing.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 02:59
I do not live in the UK.
Frankly it’s plain to me this is cancer at this point. There is NOTHING else that makes sense.
I do not live in the UK.
Frankly it’s plain to me this is cancer at this point. There is NOTHING else that makes sense.
Okay since when did they give antibiotics to treat cancer?
They think it's a infection and the antibiotics will improve it.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 06:34
Can’t sleep I’m in so much pain and so scared.
Not a single answer to the questions you have been asked?
You owe it to your poor wife and daughter to stop this happening with your next benign symptom.
It has to be hell for all of you stumbling from one death sentence to the next.
Are you going to go to the dentist, darkside?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 12:52
Yes I’ll still be going to the dentist tomorrow.
Honestly though I am certain it’s oral cancer.
Not a single answer to the questions you have been asked?
You owe it to your poor wife and daughter to stop this happening with your next benign symptom.
It has to be hell for all of you stumbling from one death sentence to the next.
??
Yes I’ll still be going to the dentist tomorrow.
Honestly though I am certain it’s oral cancer.
Please update us tomorrow. In the meantime, what's point of repeating that it's oral cancer? :lac:
darkside4k
22-10-17, 14:12
Everyone seems pretty focused on simply mocking me when I legitimately do have a pretty serious issue going on.
At this point it’s clear it’s not a simple canker sore. I can only hope for an abscess as the BEST possible outcome at this point. Otherwise I’m left only with oral cancer.
Elliejane44
22-10-17, 14:24
Hope it all is ok with you .
Remember oral cancer is quite rare unless you are heavy smoker
Ellie
Everyone seems pretty focused on simply mocking me when I legitimately do have a pretty serious issue going on.
At this point it’s clear it’s not a simple canker sore. I can only hope for an abscess as the BEST possible outcome at this point. Otherwise I’m left only with oral cancer.
I don't want to mock you. I know how it feels to be terrified. I hope you're ok and that you'll update us.
Not mocking but you are not answering the questions
nomorepanic
22-10-17, 14:55
If you DO have cancer then so what? FMP had it and got through it and is here to tell the tale.
No-one here even remotely thinks you have cancer except you.
I don't understand how the emergency doctor didn't know what it was but gave you antibiotics anyway - surely that is mis-prescribing medication
darkside4k
22-10-17, 15:06
If I do then I could very possibly die and leave my young children without a father. They will cry for me every night and not understand why I don’t come to them.
nomorepanic
22-10-17, 15:18
Well make the most of life now I say as we never know what is around the corner!
If I do then I could very possibly die and leave my young children without a father. They will cry for me every night and not understand why I don’t come to them.
I'm not mocking you, I'm telling you directly that I think you're taking the piss, and its statements like the above which have led me to that conclusion. Why the need to say things like that? Why the need to always be so graphic?
People with genuine fear actually veer away from saying things like this out loud, you, however, seem to say these type of things constantly.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 15:24
Because I have depression? It’s cancer. There is no other explanation. Period.
Because I have depression? It’s cancer. There is no other explanation. Period.
Yes, you've said. You don't have to keep repeating it. Nobody here thinks it's cancer, nobody cares that you think it is.
Which antibiotic were you prescribed?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 15:33
Amoxicillin.
It’s not a canker sore. It doesn’t really fit profile of an abscess. The tooth hurts. My ear hurts. It’s not healing.
Sounds a lot like oral cancer. Does anyone have any other ideas that fit the profile?
Amoxicillin.
It’s not a canker sore. It doesn’t really fit profile of an abscess. The tooth hurts. My ear hurts. It’s not healing.
Sounds a lot like oral cancer. Does anyone have any other ideas that fit the profile?
I'm not sure, but I imagine there are other possibilities than ulcer, canker sore or cancer. Could be viral? Send a pic!
I'd be really scared too. But I really don't think it's necessarily cancer. Remember all the other times you were convinced of an illness, but were wrong.
Capercrohnj
22-10-17, 15:43
Drs don't give out antibiotics for cancer. What are you doing about your anxiety?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 16:01
This was just a walk in clinic and he didn’t even have a mirror to get a good look at it.
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Even my wife is starting to get concerned it could be oral cancer, which is scary. Usually she doesn’t get concerned.
If you are so sure it's cancer why are you on a anxiety forum?
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nomorepanic
22-10-17, 16:07
Why has he given you antibiotics then? That seems pointless
darkside4k
22-10-17, 16:13
He gave me antibiotics just in case it’s some kind of infection and told me to see a dentist or ENT. He didn’t know what it was.
I’m on this forum because I have anxiety and am depressed. Even more so now that it’s likely I actually do have cancer.
He gave me antibiotics just in case it’s some kind of infection and told me to see a dentist or ENT. He didn’t know what it was.
I’m on this forum because I have anxiety and am depressed. Even more so now that it’s likely I actually do have cancer.
No one has said it's more likely you have cancer you have seen a medical professional and he's give you antibiotics if he even thought cancer he would of had to do more.
Why are you being so blunt about this all? Oral cancer doesn't mean automatic death as people have explained, so even having it doesn't mean you will die.
You don't smoke and you're in your early 30's, the chances of you having oral cancer are practically zero.
I’m on this forum because I have anxiety and am depressed. Even more so now that it’s likely I actually do have cancer.
You have 189 replies to this thread (last time I looked). 50 (so far) are yours - so 139 replies by members. Others here are sometimes lucky to get a single reply. Yet you're not satisfied and keep repeating that this is cancer and you are going to die.
EDIT: 190 posts now....
darkside4k
22-10-17, 16:34
I am considering going to the hospital today to see if they know what this could be. I can’t decide if I should do that or wait until morning when I can see a dentist.
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If this is not cancer I will spend at least 15 minutes a day here responding to other people trying to help them with their health anxiety.
nomorepanic
22-10-17, 16:47
I can't see that we need to reply anymore to be honest.
You have cancer, you will get this confirmed tomorrow and then they will give you a treatment plan.
We can support you once you get the diagnosis tomorrow but until then anything we say is futile, pointless and is being ignored.
Good luck
darkside4k
22-10-17, 17:37
I am just so depressed. I can’t believe this happening.
I am just so depressed. I can’t believe this happening.
It's happening in one place, and one place only. Your mind. Nothing has changed since your first post, except your growing and almost delusional insistence you have cancer. You have also rudely blanked almost every single person who has taken the time to try to help you.
What's your game here, exactly? I don't buy your "... but I'm depressed" spiel. Your posts lack all insight and affect. Go see your dentist and don't post again till you have something to say.
I am just so depressed. I can’t believe this happening.
I don't believe it either. It's all quite incredible.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 19:36
Things have happened since my first post a week ago. The area is not only not healed it is maybe a little worse. That alone rules out a canker sore.
The only remaining options are some kind of abscess or cancer. It doesn’t really fit the symptoms for abscess but it does fit oral cancer symptoms. :/
nomorepanic
22-10-17, 19:43
As I said before, you will find out tomorrow and we will support you through the cancer treatment.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 20:19
OK this is a new development. I was looking at the area with a mirror and I kept feeling the yellow areas were changing every time I look. So I pressed on it gently with the mirror and a tiny drop of pus came out onto the mirror. Definitely not totally drained but some pus is leaking out of one of the areas.
Is this common with oral cancer? Perhaps it is some kind of abcess or infection but I worry this could be also just a sign of oral cancer as well? Does anyone know?
Pretty sure pus comes out of spots and sores not cancer.
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darkside4k
22-10-17, 20:23
OK so you think it could still be cancer?
cyberchondriac.
22-10-17, 20:25
Dude, NO ONE thinks it's cancer.
Please please seek help for your anxiety!
darkside4k
22-10-17, 20:30
I do have some glimmer of hope it is just an infection or abcess (though that can still be serious), but I worry that the inflammation / pus is due to malignancy (read this can be possible) and not a simple infection of some kind.
Sigh, I wish I could just fast forward to tomorrow so I could see the dentist.
I did read that HPV induced oral cancer is not common in the mouth cavity itself but more common in the tonsils, throat, and other areas in the very back of the mouth.
OK so you think it could still be cancer?
I can't imagine how hard you must be to live with. Your gf/wife must be a saint
cyberchondriac.
22-10-17, 20:32
Why don't you step away from NMP, Dr Google and just the internet for a while?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 20:41
I thought a small amount of pus coming out would make me feel better that it was just an infection, but now I find myself worried it’s the oral cancer that is causing the infection in the first place.
what's the plan for tomorrow? if it's infection they'll let you take the course of antibiotics and probably see you again
While taking them are you gonna irritate it and post on here how it's cancer? Let the antibiotics do their job.
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darkside4k
22-10-17, 20:50
I don’t know. I’ll see what they say. I’m kind of thinking this pus infection is due to an underlying malignancy. That’s really depressing me now. I did feel happier thinking it was just an infection for a few minutes.
I don’t know. I’ll see what they say. I’m kind of thinking this pus infection is due to an underlying malignancy. That’s really depressing me now. I did feel happier thinking it was just an infection for a few minutes.
Maybe have a look at forums for people going through this aswell, loads of forums for cancer worries.
If you were so utterly convinced this was cancer I know you wouldn't be sat on here telling everyone, I've known people waiting for results and they didn't ever act like this.
Your posts are graphic and probably triggering to a lot of people reading this and having the same worries.
This is the most obvious pile of utter nonsense I've ever witnessed on here. You're deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from people with this made up babble.
This is a forum that hosts a whole load of people who suffer a debilitating mental illness, and you're here making stuff up for God only knows what reason.
Sad.
I’ve been following this thread without posting but I seriiously can’t hold back. I can’t bear to see this happening.
Darkside - when sores and wounds start healing they draw pus and get scabs. Just think about it for one second - and I mean really allow yourself to think about this - it’s starting to heal now that you’re taking antibiotics. This is NOT a coincidence. This is what is supposed to happen when antibiotics do their thing. Chill out - please. You will Be affecting your family with this and you truly need some help with your anxiety. This is the biggest problem that you are facing right now. Take it from me, and everyone else on this forum who are here to deal with anxiety. It can take over your life. This thread is a case in point.
The number one thing you need professional help with (and very possibly medication) is your anxiety. So many people have posted on this thread to reassure you and help you. Please don’t ignore this advice. I predict that the sore will heal over the next week, but that you will then move on to a new fixation, because that’s what happens. So please get proactive , for your family’s sake, and see someone about your anxiety.
All will be well.
[/COLOR]If this is not cancer I will spend at least 15 minutes a day here responding to other people trying to help them with their health anxiety.
Can we hold you to this?
The level of woe-is-me self-pity is cringe-inducing. If it's legit. I have my doubts.
Let's not start that discussion, it always ends in tears
darkside4k
22-10-17, 21:59
Can we hold you to this?
Sure. I know I need to give back when I'm healthier.
I wish I could believe this was just an infection of some kind. It's really depressing to believe this is still cancer invading my mouth for who knows how long now until it started showing symptoms and causing pus pockets.
I'm just still confused why it would be referring pain to my ear, etc. Can a gum abscess send pain to your ear?
You have mentioned HPV virus causing oral cancer quite a few times. Do you engage in excessive amounts of oral sex and have you been tested for HPV?
darkside4k
22-10-17, 22:09
You have mentioned HPV virus causing oral cancer quite a few times. Do you engage in excessive amounts of oral sex and have you been tested for HPV?
I mean I guess no more than the average person has in their life? I have not been tested for HPV so no you're correct I do not know if I even have it. I just don't smoke or drink (and never have even once in my life) so it was the only option I can think of for why I would have oral cancer.
I just don't smoke or drink (and never have even once in my life) so it was the only option I can think of for why I would have oral cancer.
Go have a stiff drink. You'll feel better
I mean I guess no more than the average person has in their life? I have not been tested for HPV so no you're correct I do not know if I even have it. I just don't smoke or drink (and never have even once in my life) so it was the only option I can think of for why I would have oral cancer.
Then the chance of this being oral cancer really is infinitesimally small. You will find this out tomorrow when you're told you have a nasty abscess. Rinsing with salt water will help heal it.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 22:18
I just don't know why I would have an access though? Has anyone else ever gotten a random abcess on their gum for no reason?
I just don't know why I would have an access though? Has anyone else ever gotten a random abcess on their gum for no reason?
For god sake of course they have!!!!
I just don't know why I would have an access though? Has anyone else ever gotten a random abcess on their gum for no reason?
I have had a few mouth abscesses - if you keep irritating it, it can take weeks to heal. As I said, ABs and salt water rinses usually sorts it out.
An abscess is just too left field, but oral cancer is essentially foregone conclusion. OK then ...
darkside4k
22-10-17, 23:31
I sincerely hope that is all it is. Now that I have some hope it could be an abcess alone, I will be totally crushed if the dentist suspects cancer. I don’t even want to get my hopes up.
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What’s bothering me is there are like 3-4 different spots that are whitish / yellow like pus but they are not visibly connected really. They are close to each other but there is pink / red in between them all. Could this really be an abcess? I am wondering if it’s more just like one big oral cancer lesion.
I sincerely hope that is all it is. Now that I have some hope it could be an abcess alone, I will be totally crushed if the dentist suspects cancer. I don’t even want to get my hopes up.
Don't get your hopes up then. Continue being convinced you have cancer. You've asked for help, you've had loads. You're now trying to make people feel bad for trying to talk sense into you.
Seriously, go away. Nobody cares that you think you have cancer.
darkside4k
22-10-17, 23:49
Hey Fish,
So sounds like you’re pretty sure it’s cancer too?
This thread needs locking :doh:
Hey Fish,
So sounds like you’re pretty sure it’s cancer too?
He is offering you help because you're 100% sure you have cancer
Clearly you know this is anxiety otherwise you'd go ahead and get support for this cancer issue instead you reply "you're sure it's cancer"
Seriously? Can't you see how ridiculous this is, imagine your child reads this when they're older.
nomorepanic
23-10-17, 00:12
:wall:
Ok enough now please.
Can we concentrate on members that genuinely need help and advice.
There is nothing anyone can say now so let's just leave it now and let him get the diagnosis tomorrow
Thanks
With respect, no just NO! Knowing the MO, it would lead to joining and posting and it's highly disrespectful for anxiety sufferers to post on disease forums. If he shows up on the H&N cancer forums I belong to I'll be sure to notify admin immediately and have him banned!
Positive thoughts
I meant a forum for people specifically worried about cancer, this forum is for people with health anxiety and he seemed pretty sure it was cancer I didn't mean a forum for people with cancer. I didn't know if there was any but here the Macmillan nurses will let you call if you're worried about symptoms etc.
I would never mean to go on a forum for people diagnosed and ask for advice, that is just a no.
All cool Ellie... it's not that you meant it but based on the behavior pattern and the fact he's posted on ALS forums and is one post from being banned (or has been by now), I can see it as a catalyst to do so.
Positive thoughts
I mean we all know from a outside point it's health anxiety, he's convinced it's cancer(although I think he knows it's also anxiety) so I thought maybe it was the wrong forum for him.
I'd find it quite disrespectful if I had something wrong with me and someone came and kept asking which symptoms I had etc, feel even sorry for you having to read some of this and the way it's being put.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 00:35
I have never in my life posted on an ALS forum.
MyNameIsTerry
23-10-17, 04:32
I mean we all know from a outside point it's health anxiety, he's convinced it's cancer(although I think he knows it's also anxiety) so I thought maybe it was the wrong forum for him.
I'd find it quite disrespectful if I had something wrong with me and someone came and kept asking which symptoms I had etc, feel even sorry for you having to read some of this and the way it's being put.
I think he is on the right forum. People worried about imaginary issues. He has no symptoms and those cancer worry forums tend to be cancer forums that include those diagnosed (and I know you wouldn't want him on those) so it would have to be a specific type of forum and to be honest, in his current state I would be wary of where he would go.
I know these types of posters frustrate some on here (threads are optional though) but rather here than a forum with people who aren't in complete denial (although some rationalisation appears to be slipping through for him now after ignoring us saying what else it could be).
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Question. When you break the skin, is it possible germs & bacteria can get into the cut and cause an infection?
Question. Does that include the mouth?
Question: How likely is the above compared to cancer?
Question: Does cancer respond to antibiotics?
Question: If you go to the dentist and he gives you antibiotics and then a week or so later you are better, what does that mean?[COLOR="blue"]
You missed the above.
And add to those any evidence you have of cuts or skin breaking in your mouth leading up to this.
As for what has happened since I asked the above, we have already discussed them but you dismissed them all. You've even tried to come up with other possibilities but your anxiety has taken over again. That's at least some progress and your anxiety is going to try to make you doubt it but you need to examine the evidence.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 15:10
I went to the dentist. I'm not sure if I feel better.
The dentist seemed to think it was some kind of infection but he did not know why. They did X-Ray of the area and he said the tooth looks pretty normal so he didn't think the tooth was infected. He said it's possible it was a cut or trauma to the gum that is infected but he said it's a weird spot for that to happen normally. He seemed pretty confused about it in general in terms of why it would be infected.
I asked if he thought it could be oral cancer and he said "No, you can definitely rule that out of your mind."
He suggested upping my antibiotic dose as he felt the walk-in clinic gave me too low of a dose and just watching it for another week since any further action would be more invasive and he wasn't sure if a root canal was really warranted since he wasn't sure if the tooth was even infected.
I know he said he definitely did not think it was oral cancer (and he seemed very sure of that) but part of me thinks that until we have a definite idea of what is going on, how can that be ruled out as the source of infection?
I went to the dentist. I'm not sure if I feel better.
The dentist seemed to think it was some kind of infection but he did not know why. They did X-Ray of the area and he said the tooth looks pretty normal so he didn't think the tooth was infected. He said it's possible it was a cut or trauma to the gum that is infected but he said it's a weird spot for that to happen normally. He seemed pretty confused about it in general in terms of why it would be infected.
I asked if he thought it could be oral cancer and he said "No, you can definitely rule that out of your mind."
He suggested upping my antibiotic dose as he felt the walk-in clinic gave me too low of a dose and just watching it for another week since any further action would be more invasive and he wasn't sure if a root canal was really warranted since he wasn't sure if the tooth was even infected.
I know he said he definitely did not think it was oral cancer (and he seemed very sure of that) but part of me thinks that until we have a definite idea of what is going on, how can that be ruled out as the source of infection?
Your dentist HAS ruled oral cancer out. I'm sure he's seen oral cancer before and would advise you to go to your doctor ASAP if he thought otherwise.
Doubt about the "reason" for an infection has NOTHING to do with it being oral cancer. It is an infection - perhaps an abscess - and should be treated as such. Infections don't come with a tag telling you their origins. So put an end to all this now and move on.
NEXT!
If a dentist said to me you can rule out oral cancer after worrying about it I would be over the moon and so should you be.
It's time now you get some professional help with your anxiety is it really fair on yourself and your family to go through this all the time?
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I went to the dentist. I'm not sure if I feel better.
The dentist seemed to think it was some kind of infection but he did not know why. They did X-Ray of the area and he said the tooth looks pretty normal so he didn't think the tooth was infected. He said it's possible it was a cut or trauma to the gum that is infected but he said it's a weird spot for that to happen normally. He seemed pretty confused about it in general in terms of why it would be infected.
I asked if he thought it could be oral cancer and he said "No, you can definitely rule that out of your mind."
He suggested upping my antibiotic dose as he felt the walk-in clinic gave me too low of a dose and just watching it for another week since any further action would be more invasive and he wasn't sure if a root canal was really warranted since he wasn't sure if the tooth was even infected.
I know he said he definitely did not think it was oral cancer (and he seemed very sure of that) but part of me thinks that until we have a definite idea of what is going on, how can that be ruled out as the source of infection?
Maybe it could be some sort of viral sore, rather than bacterial. Who knows. Either way, great news that it's nothing ominous and will clear up eventually!
I do understand that health anxiety makes it hard to trust medical professionals. I'm the same, often. I really don't know what can be done to help with that apart from getting professional help for the anxiety.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 15:43
I know. I wish I could just let it go, and I'm glad the dentist seemed to definitely think it was not oral cancer. But, part of me still thinks it could be. You see those people sometimes where doctors are sure it was nothing serious and then bam it turns out to be cancer.
I know. I wish I could just let it go, and I'm glad the dentist seemed to definitely think it was not oral cancer. But, part of me still thinks it could be. You see those people sometimes where doctors are sure it was nothing serious and then bam it turns out to be cancer.
Yes, occasionally, it does happen. It's so rare though, that's why you don't hear about it much. And when it does happen it makes the headlines because it's such a crazy occurrence.
I guess in your case take the antibiotics for a couple of weeks and see if it improves. I wonder if a steroid ointment might help too? You'd hope it would improve in that time if it was viral, too. And if it doesn't then you're warranted another dentist trip.
I know. I wish I could just let it go, and I'm glad the dentist seemed to definitely think it was not oral cancer. But, part of me still thinks it could be. You see those people sometimes where doctors are sure it was nothing serious and then bam it turns out to be cancer.
You don't have oral cancer no point replying anymore, hope you find it in you to admit you need help with anxiety.
Yeah, literally no point in anyone saying anything or you posting about this any further. You don't have oral cancer, we were right, you were wrong, as usual.
The real question is, once you accept this benign diagnosis, where will your anxiety land next? Bets anyone?
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I'm not saying this to be mean, but this tends to be the nature of untreated HA. It's what it does.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 16:59
I'm wondering if I should get a second opinion? I'm still in some pain and I'm still wondering if these is something more sinister going on that maybe the first dentist wrote off. I'm still getting pain in some of my bottom front teeth even.
I fear I will never be better. That this is some chronic infection or probably even cancer that is continuing to eat away at my gums.
nomorepanic
23-10-17, 17:08
You can start your 15 minutes a day helping others on here now it isn't cancer - you did promise :yesyes:
I'm wondering if I should get a second opinion? I'm still in some pain and I'm still wondering if these is something more sinister going on that maybe the first dentist wrote off. I'm still getting pain in some of my bottom front teeth even.
I fear I will never be better. That this is some chronic infection or probably even cancer that is continuing to eat away at my gums.
That's nice.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 17:12
I really think I need to get to the bottom of this though. While I still have a non-healing lesion on my gum I don't think I can rule out cancer. I read all lesions like that MUST be pursued to a definite diagnosis.
I think maybe he was too quick to rule out cancer? How would he know that if it hasn't been biopsied?
I really think I need to get to the bottom of this though. While I still have a non-healing lesion on my gum I don't think I can rule out cancer. I read all lesions like that MUST be pursued to a definite diagnosis.
I think maybe he was too quick to rule out cancer? How would he know that if it hasn't been biopsied?
Dude, nobody cares. If you want to get a second opinion then get one. If you don't believe a medical professional that specialised in conditions of the mouth and teeth then why should we even bother trying with you?
Seriously, nobody cares.
Dude, step back and take a look. Put things in perspective. You are an infinitesimal being in an infinite universe. You are a grain of sand. Why the overweening self-importance? The world does not revolve around you and your cancer fetish. Life is meaningless and everybody dies. Go play with your kid.
Capercrohnj
23-10-17, 17:26
2 weeks is not a non healing wound. I have a wound that's still open from surgery on May 5th so almost 6 months. Now that's non healing. Oh it's also not cancerous.
Elliejane44
23-10-17, 17:27
Hi
Great news , why don't you know take the tablets for the infection and see if it helps.
I know what it is like to want to seek second opinions it so tempting but just part of your anxiety but hold off and take the medication.
A dentist would not say it not cancer if he had slightest doubt at all.
If it still not gone after tablets then and only then go back . Remember oral cancer is rare l I don't know what age you are but more oral cancers are older heavy smokers .
Use salt water rinse also . Good for healing .
Ellie
darkside4k
23-10-17, 17:40
I just remember Fishmanpa saying he was given antibiotics at first too... then, a couple months later is diagnosed with cancer. That is what I fear is going on with my case.
Warm salt water rinses, take your meds, rest, don't eat on that side of your mouth, rinse your mouth out after you eat to prevent food from getting into the area, keep your mouth clean. Hope you feel better... and no you don't have oral cancer.
MyNameIsTerry
23-10-17, 17:48
2 weeks is not a non healing wound. I have a wound that's still open from surgery on May 5th so almost 6 months. Now that's non healing. Oh it's also not cancerous.
I've got cuts & scratches on my legs that take longer. A large or deeper area can take months.
Funny thing but I take longer to heal post relapse and my blood takes longer to clot. I suspect the current med plays a part there though since they are known for blood thinning effects.
It seems to take ages to heal some things now. Two weeks is nothing as you say.
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I just remember Fishmanpa saying he was given antibiotics at first too... then, a couple months later is diagnosed with cancer. That is what I fear is going on with my case.
But what about everyone else who just heals up? My infection went.
So one-all.
Do you understand how anxiety works on your thoughts? Everything you have said since the dentist appointment is just anxiety 101 to me. Some may get frustrated with it but it's just the norm and I expect it. It won't go until you address it - with real work. Even if it subsides it will only latch onto the next thing. ..otherwise you wouldn't even have a disorder.
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Question. When you break the skin, is it possible germs & bacteria can get into the cut and cause an infection?
Question. Does that include the mouth?
Question: How likely is the above compared to cancer?
Question: Does cancer respond to antibiotics?
Question: If you go to the dentist and he gives you antibiotics and then a week or so later you are better, what does that mean?[COLOR="blue"]
You missed the above.
And add to those any evidence you have of cuts or skin breaking in your mouth leading up to this.
As for what has happened since I asked the above, we have already discussed them but you dismissed them all. You've even tried to come up with other possibilities but your anxiety has taken over again. That's at least some progress and your anxiety is going to try to make you doubt it but you need to examine the evidence.
And bumparoo to my questions...
Please try not to worry. I understand how you feel. I don't know a lot about oral cancer but I can empathise with you. I hope you find some peace from your worries. Perhaps read through the thread again when you feel calmer and you will see there are many people posting to help you with advice. Hope you feel better soon.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 22:10
There is definitely something more serious going on. I don't even think my dentist saw the main large area that is below a smaller pus pocket up higher. I think he only saw the one up higher.
I still think this is cancer and will be making another appointment with someone else ASAP. Very confident the dentist did not even look at the main spot.
I'm just so mad now. What information did I even gain this morning? The dentist most likely did not even see the entire area. He only saw the obvious spot at the top of my gum not the area down below. So, his diagnosis of "not cancer" is not even valid because he didn't observe the whole area. So, essentially, the entire appointment was wasted and now I have to start all over and the cancer can progress even further. Unbelievable.
There is definitely something more serious going on. I don't even think my dentist saw the main large area that is below a smaller pus pocket up higher. I think he only saw the one up higher.
I still think this is cancer and will be making another appointment with someone else ASAP. Very confident the dentist did not even look at the main spot.
I'm just so mad now. What information did I even gain this morning? The dentist most likely did not even see the entire area. He only saw the obvious spot at the top of my gum not the area down below. So, his diagnosis of "not cancer" is not even valid because he didn't observe the whole area. So, essentially, the entire appointment was wasted and now I have to start all over and the cancer can progress even further. Unbelievable.
Don't talk rubbish - your dentist would have checked your whole mouth. You're just looking for any poor excuse now. The Good Lord could come down on his cloud and tell you it's not oral cancer and you'd be seeking a second opinion :lac:
darkside4k
23-10-17, 22:53
At this point I am NOT out of the woods. I just read that gingival abscesses that recur can be a sign of oral cancer.
Capercrohnj
23-10-17, 22:56
But it hasn't recurred yet.... not sure why I'm even answering. Your family must be fed up with you if you act like this in real life.
No-one cares anymore. Everyone has compassion fatigue.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 22:59
I made another appointment with a different dentist tomorrow at 9:30am. Hopefully they can provide some more information as to what is going on.
There is no good explanation for why this would be happening in the first place. Something is driving it. I believe that something is cancer because there is simply no other reasonable explanation at this point.
Why do you keep posting? Curious
I made another appointment with a different dentist tomorrow at 9:30am. Hopefully they can provide some more information as to what is going on.
There is no good explanation for why this would be happening in the first place. Something is driving it. I believe that something is cancer because there is simply no other reasonable explanation at this point.
Funny how your initial appointment was made a few days in advance but now you've magically managed to get a next day appointment.
This is just sad.
darkside4k
23-10-17, 23:10
Funny how your initial appointment was made a few days in advance but now you've magically managed to get a next day appointment.
This is just sad.
I had to travel out of state last week otherwise I could have seen dentist much sooner.
Also the original dentist I saw today is my typical dentist and he's the only one in the office (other than his hygienists).
The place I got in tomorrow has like 10 dentist and is a much larger office.
The dentist can't see me until next Monday. Wondering if I should seek another dentist who can see me sooner for this. The longer I wait the more the cancer could progress.
Yet in this post you claim that the dentist couldn't see you and maybe you should seek one who've could see you sooner? Why would you if you were going out of town?
darkside4k
23-10-17, 23:17
People. I am not a troll. I am a severe hypochondriac worrying about a spot on their gums that is leaking pus and painful.
People. I am not a troll. I am a severe hypochondriac worrying about a spot on their gums that is leaking pus and painful.
Maybe you aren't trolling, but you're certainly making stuff up as you go along.
I had to travel out of state last week otherwise I could have seen dentist much sooner.
Also the original dentist I saw today is my typical dentist and he's the only one in the office (other than his hygienists).
The place I got in tomorrow has like 10 dentist and is a much larger office.
It doesn't matter how many dentists you go to nothing will convince you, doctors don't even jump to cancer straight away as they have to look at the other options
Example - swollen glands, they will give you antibiotics(possibly) then see you again in 7-10 days. You have to try let the antibiotics do the work, you're expecting to wake up and everything be gone.
I don't know if this is a troll and quite frankly I don't care but if you could read this from a outside view you'd see how utterly silly you are being.
Do you actually have a child? If I acted like this around my child I would feel awful.
You haven't replied to one post about anxiety, you haven't admitted this could be health anxiety - when fish came on respectfully telling you about his cancer, you made it about YOU and compared you both when your symptoms are completely different
darkside4k
23-10-17, 23:24
It could *totally* be entirely anxiety and be nothing more than a simple infection / virus / whatever. I sincerely hope that is all it is but as you know with health anxiety it is hard to accept that kind of simplicity. :/
If I had some obvious reason for why I had an infection there I would feel better. But I don't have rock solid reason. So, my hypochondriac brain is saying that perhaps there is cancer there that is causing it.
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