Yes this is all good, but what I want to ask is on certain posts (no names mentioned) and a poster keeps asking for reassurance should we all take notice of this harmful destructive cycle and not keep giving reassurance? I certainly think we should and I have made this very clear in my replies. As for arguments well think NMP had less of this many years ago based on lots of very old posts I have read. Lets all hope we can all be helpful and kind to every one in 2018 ATB